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IIRC, parents--particularly parents with younger kids. The highschoolers need (in their view) to be home earlier than the middle- and elementary schoolers to be

by Arubis 6y ago

IIRC, parents--particularly parents with younger kids. The highschoolers need (in their view) to be home earlier than the middle- and elementary schoolers to be the responsible party so the parents can come home at the end of the workday. The problem is deeply structural.

jackson1442 6y ago
Interestingly enough, it was the exact opposite when I was in high school. Elementary got out at about 2:45, middle around 3:15, and HS at 4:20. I was very appreciative of our 9:05 start time.
djrogers 6y ago
This has never been the case anywhere I've gone to school - outside of special classes, every school got out at the same time. That said, there'd be nothing to prevent a school district from adjusting both school times if local parents demanded this be accommodated.
- jeffchien 6y ago
  Some school districts are K-8 or 9-12 only, which I've experienced myself. Taking California as an example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_districts_in_California https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_districts_in_Ca... > In California there are 560 Elementary districts, 87 High School districts, 330 Unified districts. (I do think that this isn't a great argument against switching to DST permanently. I think if this was legislated then the school districts would just adapt now, especially since a significant chunk of students are still doing remote learning.)
hc-taway 6y ago
Sports are another big reason parents want older kids to get to school earlier than younger kids (as they can't take everyone at once, or else you need way more busses)—longer daylight hours after school for practice. Any attempt to change the schedule to get older kids to school later and younger ones earlier, will run into strong resistance from Sports Parents™, no matter the benefits to health or academics. ("why don't they just have the sports teams do one short practice in the morning, and one short practice in the afternoon?" 1. some of them actually do that already, despite the crazy-early school start time, and 2. for the less-insanely-dedicated sports that can't rely on parents to drop all the team members off before school, you'd need to run extra busses just for the sports kids, if they're showing up earlier than everyone else, and 3. Depending on the sport, one long practice is better and/or a lot more convenient than two short ones)
- slg 6y ago
  >"why don't they just have the sports teams do one short practice in the morning, and one short practice in the afternoon?" Another reason is that most older kids don't want to be covered in sweat for their entire high school career and having kids communally shower at school is seemingly something that is rightfully being phased out.
  - bsder 6y ago
    > having kids communally shower at school is seemingly something that is rightfully being phased out. For a sports team, that seems silly. Most sports have enough weird contact that the showers are probably the least of the problems. Now, if you want to argue that sports, in general, and school should be separate, I'm all ears.
watwut 6y ago
Where do highschoolers end school sooner then elementary?
- rhino369 6y ago
  Suburban Chicago, at least 15 years ago. I'd get home ~30 minutes before my siblings and I'd keep an eye on them until my mom came home.
- pionar 6y ago
  All over the place. When I was in school, the same buses that serviced the high schools also serviced the elementary schools. So the high school students would get picked up, and then the elementary kids would be next after that.
  - watwut 6y ago
    Highschoolers here all use public transport. They have more classes then small kids. Small kids have few classes and before/after optional program that basically do childcare for parents. They are free to go much sooner. Many of them come in and out by public transport too.

by Arubis 6y ago

jackson1442 6y ago

Interestingly enough, it was the exact opposite when I was in high school. Elementary got out at about 2:45, middle around 3:15, and HS at 4:20. I was very appreciative of our 9:05 start time.

djrogers 6y ago

This has never been the case anywhere I've gone to school - outside of special classes, every school got out at the same time. That said, there'd be nothing to prevent a school district from adjusting both school times if local parents demanded this be accommodated.

jeffchien 6y ago
Some school districts are K-8 or 9-12 only, which I've experienced myself. Taking California as an example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_districts_in_California https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_districts_in_Ca... > In California there are 560 Elementary districts, 87 High School districts, 330 Unified districts. (I do think that this isn't a great argument against switching to DST permanently. I think if this was legislated then the school districts would just adapt now, especially since a significant chunk of students are still doing remote learning.)

hc-taway 6y ago

Sports are another big reason parents want older kids to get to school earlier than younger kids (as they can't take everyone at once, or else you need way more busses)—longer daylight hours after school for practice. Any attempt to change the schedule to get older kids to school later and younger ones earlier, will run into strong resistance from Sports Parents™, no matter the benefits to health or academics. ("why don't they just have the sports teams do one short practice in the morning, and one short practice in the afternoon?" 1. some of them actually do that already, despite the crazy-early school start time, and 2. for the less-insanely-dedicated sports that can't rely on parents to drop all the team members off before school, you'd need to run extra busses just for the sports kids, if they're showing up earlier than everyone else, and 3. Depending on the sport, one long practice is better and/or a lot more convenient than two short ones)

slg 6y ago
>"why don't they just have the sports teams do one short practice in the morning, and one short practice in the afternoon?" Another reason is that most older kids don't want to be covered in sweat for their entire high school career and having kids communally shower at school is seemingly something that is rightfully being phased out.
- bsder 6y ago
  > having kids communally shower at school is seemingly something that is rightfully being phased out. For a sports team, that seems silly. Most sports have enough weird contact that the showers are probably the least of the problems. Now, if you want to argue that sports, in general, and school should be separate, I'm all ears.

watwut 6y ago

Where do highschoolers end school sooner then elementary?

rhino369 6y ago
Suburban Chicago, at least 15 years ago. I'd get home ~30 minutes before my siblings and I'd keep an eye on them until my mom came home.
pionar 6y ago
All over the place. When I was in school, the same buses that serviced the high schools also serviced the elementary schools. So the high school students would get picked up, and then the elementary kids would be next after that.
- watwut 6y ago
  Highschoolers here all use public transport. They have more classes then small kids. Small kids have few classes and before/after optional program that basically do childcare for parents. They are free to go much sooner. Many of them come in and out by public transport too.