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Beware any statement that suggests something like "this form of forced labor wasn't so bad". If it was decent work then people would do it without being kidnap

Beware any statement that suggests something like "this form of forced labor wasn't so bad". If it was decent work then people would do it without being kidnapped. Involuntary enslavement, whether permanent or temporary, is a terrible thing.

sandworm101 6y ago
And beware of saying that military service is horrible simply because men are drafted into it during time of war. Some of us have chosen that life.
- lucasmullens 6y ago
  Having a draft is terrible, and I'm grateful I never lived through one. It's just the lesser of two evils in some cases.
  - brianxp 6y ago
    They used to force people into draft here in Colombia. From my personal point of view the Colombian army is terrible, if one of their own combatants get shot in combat, they kill him and dress him in a uniform that resembles the one wore by guerrilla. A week ago they bombed 8 kids and dressed them as guerrilla fighters [1] and it is suspected about two million people were killed in the last 20 years by the Colombian army. My family belongs to a long line military and police men, so I get to know beforehand the new ways in which they are benchmarked. During the 2004 till 2012 administration the military and police men were required to have certain amount of blood liters per month [2]. 1: https://colombiareports.com/duque-presented-bombed-minors-and-children-as-farc-dissidents-senator/ https://colombiareports.com/duque-presented-bombed-minors-an... 2: https://washingtonmemo.wordpress.com/2012/06/13/colombia-the-war-measured-in-litres-of-blood/ https://washingtonmemo.wordpress.com/2012/06/13/colombia-the...
thaumasiotes 6y ago
> If it was decent work then people would do it without being kidnapped. This doesn't really follow from the description in your parent comment, which claims that being impressed is worse than being a free sailor but better than being a free peasant. The logical conclusion from that is not that sailors would be lining up for Navy jobs if the Navy couldn't enslave them. > Involuntary enslavement, whether permanent or temporary, is a terrible thing. This point is more interesting. Note that the military is generally still enslaved today; leaving and disobeying are both illegal. The modern US military is not involuntarily enslaved, but it is voluntarily enslaved. Should other employers also be allowed to employ voluntary slaves?

sandworm101 6y ago

And beware of saying that military service is horrible simply because men are drafted into it during time of war. Some of us have chosen that life.

lucasmullens 6y ago
Having a draft is terrible, and I'm grateful I never lived through one. It's just the lesser of two evils in some cases.
- brianxp 6y ago
  They used to force people into draft here in Colombia. From my personal point of view the Colombian army is terrible, if one of their own combatants get shot in combat, they kill him and dress him in a uniform that resembles the one wore by guerrilla. A week ago they bombed 8 kids and dressed them as guerrilla fighters [1] and it is suspected about two million people were killed in the last 20 years by the Colombian army. My family belongs to a long line military and police men, so I get to know beforehand the new ways in which they are benchmarked. During the 2004 till 2012 administration the military and police men were required to have certain amount of blood liters per month [2]. 1: https://colombiareports.com/duque-presented-bombed-minors-and-children-as-farc-dissidents-senator/ https://colombiareports.com/duque-presented-bombed-minors-an... 2: https://washingtonmemo.wordpress.com/2012/06/13/colombia-the-war-measured-in-litres-of-blood/ https://washingtonmemo.wordpress.com/2012/06/13/colombia-the...

thaumasiotes 6y ago

> If it was decent work then people would do it without being kidnapped. This doesn't really follow from the description in your parent comment, which claims that being impressed is worse than being a free sailor but better than being a free peasant. The logical conclusion from that is not that sailors would be lining up for Navy jobs if the Navy couldn't enslave them. > Involuntary enslavement, whether permanent or temporary, is a terrible thing. This point is more interesting. Note that the military is generally still enslaved today; leaving and disobeying are both illegal. The modern US military is not involuntarily enslaved, but it is voluntarily enslaved. Should other employers also be allowed to employ voluntary slaves?