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If somebody has an informative link, I'm curious why this is still an issue. My understanding is that guides are using children as accessories/human shields, s

If somebody has an informative link, I'm curious why this is still an issue. My understanding is that guides are using children as accessories/human shields, so the US govt. is unsure of who the parents are or where they're from, so they're detained? Prior to 2020, I considered this one of the country's greatest shames, but maybe there's some plausible operational excuse for it. I sure hope so.

inasio 6y ago
To me the key difference post-Trump is that the family separation policy is no longer in effect.
Sevii 6y ago
If people are coming across the border with kids that they don’t have proof are theirs, what do you do? Do we send the kids back across the border with the adults that brought them across? How do we find the parents of these kids once they are detained? It seems like a hard problem to me. Ideally we’d reunite these kids with their parents. The logistics of finding the parents of thousands of undocumented minors is pretty intense.
- rat87 6y ago
  The thing is that some Trump defenders tried to make up stories about seperating kids die to trafficking to justify the Trump administration purposely seperating children from their parents to be cruel in the hope that cruelty would deter legal(assylum seekers) and illegal immigration. In the process they lost track of where kids parents were due to incompetence
  - mercurysmessage 6y ago
    Yes, it's long been known that it was a lie and excuse, it's sad that people on this site somehow aren't aware of this. Trump had two neo-nazis in his administration, this is just some of the fallout of that.
    - azinman2 6y ago
      > Trump had two neo-nazis in his administration Bold claim. Who? Proof?
      - mercurysmessage 6y ago
        I thought it was common knowledge by now? Stephen Miller and Stephen Bannon. Here's some info on Miller: https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2019/11/12/stephen-millers-affinity-white-nationalism-revealed-leaked-emails https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2019/11/12/stephen-mille... https://www.npr.org/2019/11/26/783047584/leaked-emails-fuel-calls-for-stephen-miller-to-leave-white-house https://www.npr.org/2019/11/26/783047584/leaked-emails-fuel-... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/white-supremacy-was-behind-child-separations-trump-officials-went-along-n1237746 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/white-supremacy-was-behi... And on Bannon: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/09/steve-bannon-has-a-nazi-problem https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/09/steve-bannon-has-a-n... https://observer.com/2019/05/steve-bannon-afd-party-germany/ https://observer.com/2019/05/steve-bannon-afd-party-germany/ Bannon wasn't there for the whole presidency, but he still did damage. Miller is the reason why child separation became a thing.
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disgrunt 6y ago
Less than a month ago there were just NINE children being held, according to CBP documents cited in the CBS report. There are a further 8,100 migrant children being held at the Office of Refugee Resettlement. [0] [0]: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/migrant-children-border-patrol-custody-past-legal-limit/?ftag=CNM-00-10aac3a https://www.cbsnews.com/news/migrant-children-border-patrol-...
zo1 6y ago
It's still an issue because the problem isn't solved, I guess. The border is porous and the country is divided as to whether or not they want to repeal immigration laws or allow foreigners to break them. But hey, if it was me I'd build a wall and prevent the children from being dragged into this by (maybe well-meaning) adults in the first place.
disgrunt 6y ago
> Prior to 2020, I considered this one of the country's greatest shames, but maybe there's some plausible operational excuse for it. I sure hope so. I guess now that this Obama policy is no longer being weaponized against the Trump Administration we can openly discuss this possibility.
- loudtieblahblah 6y ago
  It's amazing the volume of bad faith discussions regarding this that came out of the last four years that was nothing more than orange man bad.
  - mercurysmessage 6y ago
    It was actually the Child Separation policy enacted by Trumps government that was meant to deter immigration. You're the only one operating on bad faith here.

inasio 6y ago

To me the key difference post-Trump is that the family separation policy is no longer in effect.

Sevii 6y ago

If people are coming across the border with kids that they don’t have proof are theirs, what do you do? Do we send the kids back across the border with the adults that brought them across? How do we find the parents of these kids once they are detained? It seems like a hard problem to me. Ideally we’d reunite these kids with their parents. The logistics of finding the parents of thousands of undocumented minors is pretty intense.

rat87 6y ago
The thing is that some Trump defenders tried to make up stories about seperating kids die to trafficking to justify the Trump administration purposely seperating children from their parents to be cruel in the hope that cruelty would deter legal(assylum seekers) and illegal immigration. In the process they lost track of where kids parents were due to incompetence
- mercurysmessage 6y ago
  Yes, it's long been known that it was a lie and excuse, it's sad that people on this site somehow aren't aware of this. Trump had two neo-nazis in his administration, this is just some of the fallout of that.
  - azinman2 6y ago
    > Trump had two neo-nazis in his administration Bold claim. Who? Proof?
    - mercurysmessage 6y ago
      I thought it was common knowledge by now? Stephen Miller and Stephen Bannon. Here's some info on Miller: https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2019/11/12/stephen-millers-affinity-white-nationalism-revealed-leaked-emails https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2019/11/12/stephen-mille... https://www.npr.org/2019/11/26/783047584/leaked-emails-fuel-calls-for-stephen-miller-to-leave-white-house https://www.npr.org/2019/11/26/783047584/leaked-emails-fuel-... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/white-supremacy-was-behind-child-separations-trump-officials-went-along-n1237746 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/white-supremacy-was-behi... And on Bannon: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/09/steve-bannon-has-a-nazi-problem https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/09/steve-bannon-has-a-n... https://observer.com/2019/05/steve-bannon-afd-party-germany/ https://observer.com/2019/05/steve-bannon-afd-party-germany/ Bannon wasn't there for the whole presidency, but he still did damage. Miller is the reason why child separation became a thing.
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disgrunt 6y ago

Less than a month ago there were just NINE children being held, according to CBP documents cited in the CBS report. There are a further 8,100 migrant children being held at the Office of Refugee Resettlement. [0] [0]: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/migrant-children-border-patrol-custody-past-legal-limit/?ftag=CNM-00-10aac3a https://www.cbsnews.com/news/migrant-children-border-patrol-...

zo1 6y ago

It's still an issue because the problem isn't solved, I guess. The border is porous and the country is divided as to whether or not they want to repeal immigration laws or allow foreigners to break them. But hey, if it was me I'd build a wall and prevent the children from being dragged into this by (maybe well-meaning) adults in the first place.

disgrunt 6y ago

> Prior to 2020, I considered this one of the country's greatest shames, but maybe there's some plausible operational excuse for it. I sure hope so. I guess now that this Obama policy is no longer being weaponized against the Trump Administration we can openly discuss this possibility.

loudtieblahblah 6y ago
It's amazing the volume of bad faith discussions regarding this that came out of the last four years that was nothing more than orange man bad.
- mercurysmessage 6y ago
  It was actually the Child Separation policy enacted by Trumps government that was meant to deter immigration. You're the only one operating on bad faith here.