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> on mobile I certainly prefer having a bit more space than a always visible scrollbar. I very much disagree. On all of the mobile devices I've used it has nev

> on mobile I certainly prefer having a bit more space than a always visible scrollbar. I very much disagree. On all of the mobile devices I've used it has never been clear that scrolling is a thing unless there's a scrollbar. I didn't even know you could "pull down" menus or pull up some app status thing until I called support and asked how to close background apps or turn off wifi

vidanay 6y ago
Modern UI is a seething cauldron of non-intuitiveness and undiscoverability.
- notriddle 6y ago
  With mobile UI, that's kinda necessary. You don't have a whole lot of space to work with there. It's either really tightly packed touchscreen interfaces, or its horribly overloaded buttons ("when you're in the email app, press the Hang Up button to delete a message"). There is no excuse for it on desktop except blindly imitating mobile UIs.
  - kitsunesoba 6y ago
    > With mobile UI, that's kinda necessary. You don't have a whole lot of space to work with there. It's either really tightly packed touchscreen interfaces, or its horribly overloaded buttons ("when you're in the email app, press the Hang Up button to delete a message"). Or using a PDA-like UI with miniaturized desktop UI elements, but that style requires a stylus to use which is why the simpler, chunkier smartphone touch UIs became popular in the first place.