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This is an opinionated guide, hopefully nobody gets the wrong idea like it's actually hard to start using Wayland - for me, switching to Wayland was one drop-do

by mappu 6y ago

This is an opinionated guide, hopefully nobody gets the wrong idea like it's actually hard to start using Wayland - for me, switching to Wayland was one drop-down menu option that automatically appeared on my login screen.

MuffinFlavored 6y ago
> switching to Wayland was one drop-down menu option that automatically appeared on my login screen. On what distro?
- OtomotO 6y ago
  I assumed they meant they used gnome 3+ or kde plasma (or another de) where it's just another option on the login screen. For i3 -> sway it's not as easy but also not very complicated, nor time-consuming
  - MuffinFlavored 6y ago
    when you install GNOME 3 these days, does it install both Xorg + Wayland packages, and then at runtime you pick which you want? I would have guessed the GDM/login manager is X11/xorg?
    - mappu 6y ago
      I'm on SDDM, which is still X - getting itself converted to Wayland is https://github.com/sddm/sddm/pull/1367 https://github.com/sddm/sddm/pull/1367 .
- JeremyNT 6y ago
  This is the experience on Arch Linux if you use intel graphics, install gnome and gdm, and then start gdm. For the open source Radeon drivers you have to specifically enable early kms, but I imagine that's done for you with most distributions. Really, this stuff just works if your hardware is well supported (i.e. - not nvidia).
colingw 6y ago
Totally - the guide is a reflection of the steps that I personally went through to get it all set up. I use tiling window managers, so had to configure everything (the topbar, etc) myself.
babypuncher 6y ago
It is highly dependent on the user's hardware and software combination. For example, getting Wayland to work with Plasma on Nvidia graphics cards is still a nightmare, despite it being officially supported. Out of the box, starting a Wayland session just knocks the user into a frozen TTY. Once you get it to work, you quickly learn that hardware acceleration for X11 apps is nonexistent, rendering most video games unplayable.
- kaba0 6y ago
  That’s more of an indicator that plasma’s wayland implementation is not yet ready/stable.
  - babypuncher 6y ago
    That is why I mentioned it being dependent on the user's hardware and software. "Use a different desktop environment" isn't really an acceptable solution. I don't think it is fully ready until the overwhelming majority of users can move to Wayland without having to give up their current hardware and software.
    - kaba0 6y ago
      There is no one wayland. There are many implementations of the protocol, some ahead of the other. I don’t see why wouldn’t it be ready, when out of the 3 major ones, one is not yet there — especially when one of the two working ones (wlroots) is really extensible and anyone can create their own wm/compositor
      - babypuncher 6y ago
        No Wayland implementation works 100% on an Nvidia GPU yet, they are just in varying states broken. I mentioned Plasma because it is what I have the most familiarity with, but Mutter is only slightly better and Sway doesn't work at all yet.
YuukiRey 6y ago
Japanese input begs to differ

by mappu 6y ago

MuffinFlavored 6y ago

> switching to Wayland was one drop-down menu option that automatically appeared on my login screen. On what distro?

OtomotO 6y ago
I assumed they meant they used gnome 3+ or kde plasma (or another de) where it's just another option on the login screen. For i3 -> sway it's not as easy but also not very complicated, nor time-consuming
- MuffinFlavored 6y ago
  when you install GNOME 3 these days, does it install both Xorg + Wayland packages, and then at runtime you pick which you want? I would have guessed the GDM/login manager is X11/xorg?
  - mappu 6y ago
    I'm on SDDM, which is still X - getting itself converted to Wayland is https://github.com/sddm/sddm/pull/1367 https://github.com/sddm/sddm/pull/1367 .
JeremyNT 6y ago
This is the experience on Arch Linux if you use intel graphics, install gnome and gdm, and then start gdm. For the open source Radeon drivers you have to specifically enable early kms, but I imagine that's done for you with most distributions. Really, this stuff just works if your hardware is well supported (i.e. - not nvidia).

colingw 6y ago

Totally - the guide is a reflection of the steps that I personally went through to get it all set up. I use tiling window managers, so had to configure everything (the topbar, etc) myself.

babypuncher 6y ago

It is highly dependent on the user's hardware and software combination. For example, getting Wayland to work with Plasma on Nvidia graphics cards is still a nightmare, despite it being officially supported. Out of the box, starting a Wayland session just knocks the user into a frozen TTY. Once you get it to work, you quickly learn that hardware acceleration for X11 apps is nonexistent, rendering most video games unplayable.

kaba0 6y ago
That’s more of an indicator that plasma’s wayland implementation is not yet ready/stable.
- babypuncher 6y ago
  That is why I mentioned it being dependent on the user's hardware and software. "Use a different desktop environment" isn't really an acceptable solution. I don't think it is fully ready until the overwhelming majority of users can move to Wayland without having to give up their current hardware and software.
  - kaba0 6y ago
    There is no one wayland. There are many implementations of the protocol, some ahead of the other. I don’t see why wouldn’t it be ready, when out of the 3 major ones, one is not yet there — especially when one of the two working ones (wlroots) is really extensible and anyone can create their own wm/compositor
    - babypuncher 6y ago
      No Wayland implementation works 100% on an Nvidia GPU yet, they are just in varying states broken. I mentioned Plasma because it is what I have the most familiarity with, but Mutter is only slightly better and Sway doesn't work at all yet.

YuukiRey 6y ago

Japanese input begs to differ