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I'll be blunt. This sounds very fishy to me. Diesel creates about 2.6kg of CO2 per litre burned. So for a typical 500 litre tank of a Semi truck, you'll create

by masta 6y ago

I'll be blunt. This sounds very fishy to me. Diesel creates about 2.6kg of CO2 per litre burned. So for a typical 500 litre tank of a Semi truck, you'll create 1.3tons of carbon. How exactly do you plan on storing that? How do you release it from its storage? When you store it under pressure, the release of the gas will create problems due to freezing. Not to mention the problems and energy requirements of pressurising 1t of carbon.

shrubble 6y ago
18 wheelers get about 5 to 6 mpg, with a us gallon being 3.785 liters (corrected) . Each mile thus is 0.63 or more liters of diesel. A truck can do at least 100k to 120k miles per year. So 63k to ~76k liters per year per truck. 63k * 2.6kg equals about 163.6 metric tons per year on the low end.
- edoceo 6y ago
  It's 3.785 litres per US gallon.
  - shrubble 6y ago
    Corrected, thank you!
edoceo 6y ago
Down thread it's explained that the device weighs 1000+ lbs more when full, after 600 miles. 600 miles isn't the full tank of combustion. Sound like driver is swapping tanks or something at one of their stops.
- yodelshady 6y ago
  That makes for about 470 k per km captured, and they're not claiming 100% efficiency. So it passes that sniff test, at least. Weight is also plausible. Final q (other than cost): how much exhaust backpressure?
  - paulgross 6y ago
    This is a crucial question! To our surprise, our beta testing of our prototype has actually shown that this is creating < 0.5 psi back pressure on the engine (negligible) and we believe we can get it down to essentially 0 by the time we deliver our first units to customers this summer.
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bjeds 6y ago
Are you saying 1 litre (about 0.71 kg) of fuel creates 2.6 kg of CO2? :-)
- sokoloff 6y ago
  When you mix each 1 kg of fuel with around 3 kg of O2 during combustion, why do you think that outcome is impossible?
  - olyjohn 6y ago
    On the surface, it seems like you're only burning fuel in an engine. People forget, or may not even know that you're burning mostly air, and the fuel is there to help burn the air. I think this was a legit question to ask, as it's going to be a common misunderstanding for a lot of people.
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- thechao 6y ago
  You're taking a bunch of `C` in the tank (AMU: 12) and 2x `O` out of the atmosphere (AMU: 16). This means the expected mass goes from 12 -> 44, or an increase of 3.6. My trusty calculator says that takes .71kg to 2.6kg. This is just approximate, since fuel has a bunch of H and S and other crap, so it's not 100% C. But, yes, these figures are in the right ballpark.
  - bjeds 6y ago
    You are correct of course. I was intending to make an alchemy joke about a particular phrasing of the parent poster (the part about creating 1 tons of "carbon"), but misread the entire message and commented on the wrong part. :-/ Now the jokes' on me.
    - masta 6y ago
      Ah, my bad, yes obviously it creates ~1ton of CO2, not Carbon. :)
paulgross 6y ago
I appreciate the fish pun! This is why we're currently offloading the CO2 every 600 miles. Luckily, offloading only takes a couple mins, and drivers are legally mandated to stop every 8 hours (< 600 miles of driving), so they can just offload while they stop, or at the end of the day. 600 miles worth of driving creates about 1,800 lbs of CO2, which is very doable to store onboard a truck. To offload, the driver attaches a hose, which connects to an offloading tank, and the CO2 is pumped from the tank inside our device to the much larger offloading tank. We liquefy the CO2 as it comes off the truck for storage in the tank. Luckily, the pump doesn't use much energy, and our early partners are using renewable energy to power the pump! We plan to continue using
- faitswulff 6y ago
  Does the weight of the CO2 negatively impact the fuel efficiency of the truck in any appreciable way?
  - paulgross 6y ago
    We think the impact to fuel efficiency will be < 3%, but we'll be doing more testing over the next couple months to get an exact figure. We'll capture those extra carbon emissions, and we'll more than pay for the extra fuel cost by sharing the revenue from selling the carbon dioxide.
- mc32 6y ago
  Is this likely to go on container ships and help them become more eco friendly?
  - HardEric 6y ago
    potentially yes that could be a market we expand to. We want to capture all the engine exhaust CO2 we can! So maybe trains as well. There are different exhaust compositions for the engines on these different vehicles, in part because they use slightly different fuels. So there will be some research and work to do before jumping into the next market, but we love developing technology that has never existed before, we are so excited!!
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by masta 6y ago

shrubble 6y ago

18 wheelers get about 5 to 6 mpg, with a us gallon being 3.785 liters (corrected) . Each mile thus is 0.63 or more liters of diesel. A truck can do at least 100k to 120k miles per year. So 63k to ~76k liters per year per truck. 63k * 2.6kg equals about 163.6 metric tons per year on the low end.

edoceo 6y ago
It's 3.785 litres per US gallon.
- shrubble 6y ago
  Corrected, thank you!

edoceo 6y ago

Down thread it's explained that the device weighs 1000+ lbs more when full, after 600 miles. 600 miles isn't the full tank of combustion. Sound like driver is swapping tanks or something at one of their stops.

yodelshady 6y ago
That makes for about 470 k per km captured, and they're not claiming 100% efficiency. So it passes that sniff test, at least. Weight is also plausible. Final q (other than cost): how much exhaust backpressure?
- paulgross 6y ago
  This is a crucial question! To our surprise, our beta testing of our prototype has actually shown that this is creating < 0.5 psi back pressure on the engine (negligible) and we believe we can get it down to essentially 0 by the time we deliver our first units to customers this summer.

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bjeds 6y ago

Are you saying 1 litre (about 0.71 kg) of fuel creates 2.6 kg of CO2? :-)

sokoloff 6y ago
When you mix each 1 kg of fuel with around 3 kg of O2 during combustion, why do you think that outcome is impossible?
- olyjohn 6y ago
  On the surface, it seems like you're only burning fuel in an engine. People forget, or may not even know that you're burning mostly air, and the fuel is there to help burn the air. I think this was a legit question to ask, as it's going to be a common misunderstanding for a lot of people.
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thechao 6y ago
You're taking a bunch of `C` in the tank (AMU: 12) and 2x `O` out of the atmosphere (AMU: 16). This means the expected mass goes from 12 -> 44, or an increase of 3.6. My trusty calculator says that takes .71kg to 2.6kg. This is just approximate, since fuel has a bunch of H and S and other crap, so it's not 100% C. But, yes, these figures are in the right ballpark.
- bjeds 6y ago
  You are correct of course. I was intending to make an alchemy joke about a particular phrasing of the parent poster (the part about creating 1 tons of "carbon"), but misread the entire message and commented on the wrong part. :-/ Now the jokes' on me.
  - masta 6y ago
    Ah, my bad, yes obviously it creates ~1ton of CO2, not Carbon. :)

paulgross 6y ago

I appreciate the fish pun! This is why we're currently offloading the CO2 every 600 miles. Luckily, offloading only takes a couple mins, and drivers are legally mandated to stop every 8 hours (< 600 miles of driving), so they can just offload while they stop, or at the end of the day. 600 miles worth of driving creates about 1,800 lbs of CO2, which is very doable to store onboard a truck. To offload, the driver attaches a hose, which connects to an offloading tank, and the CO2 is pumped from the tank inside our device to the much larger offloading tank. We liquefy the CO2 as it comes off the truck for storage in the tank. Luckily, the pump doesn't use much energy, and our early partners are using renewable energy to power the pump! We plan to continue using

faitswulff 6y ago
Does the weight of the CO2 negatively impact the fuel efficiency of the truck in any appreciable way?
- paulgross 6y ago
  We think the impact to fuel efficiency will be < 3%, but we'll be doing more testing over the next couple months to get an exact figure. We'll capture those extra carbon emissions, and we'll more than pay for the extra fuel cost by sharing the revenue from selling the carbon dioxide.
mc32 6y ago
Is this likely to go on container ships and help them become more eco friendly?
- HardEric 6y ago
  potentially yes that could be a market we expand to. We want to capture all the engine exhaust CO2 we can! So maybe trains as well. There are different exhaust compositions for the engines on these different vehicles, in part because they use slightly different fuels. So there will be some research and work to do before jumping into the next market, but we love developing technology that has never existed before, we are so excited!!

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