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Sorry, it isn't George Bush's fault. He is a nice scape goat. Congress has the purse strings. It's their fault and it is still their fault. They could have stop

by sigzero 15y ago

Sorry, it isn't George Bush's fault. He is a nice scape goat. Congress has the purse strings. It's their fault and it is still their fault. They could have stopped him at any time they wanted. No balls on either side.

antidaily 15y ago
Only if you don't count Bush taking us into the trillion dollar Iraq war without a congressional war declaration. not that i want to debate the merits of congress.
- neolefty 15y ago
  The real question is: will Cheney get a new apprentice, or will Bush kill him and get an apprentice of his own? Or was Rove the apprentice? And was Mitt Romney's true parentage concealed, and was he secretly raised in the Utah desert by trustworthy moisture farmers? Always two there are.
- anamax 15y ago
  > Only if you don't count Bush taking us into the trillion dollar Iraq war without a congressional war declaration. Congress approved, via explicit votes, the Iraq war at multiple points. There has never been a requirement for legislation that says "we declare war".
  - jbooth 15y ago
    So who was that on TV constantly boosting the idea and bringing it into the State of the Union address, etc? Are you making the case that the Bush admin doesn't 1,000,000% own the Iraq war? Really? (FWIW, they were pushing tax cuts simultaneously). Just cause Congress got bullied into approving these things doesn't mean they weren't Bush initiatives.
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    - anamax 15y ago
      > So who was that on TV constantly boosting the idea and bringing it into the State of the Union address, etc? Huh? The claim was that congress didn't approve the Iraq war. It did, several times. The above has nothing to do with that fact. > Are you making the case that the Bush admin doesn't 1,000,000% own the Iraq war? Really? Do you really think that Congress bears no responsibility for the votes that it takes? > Just cause Congress got bullied into approving these things doesn't mean they weren't Bush initiatives. Poor little congresscritters, can't stand up to that mean old moron Bush. Obama hasn't varied from Bush's Iraq timetable at all. Is he also "bullied"? (As candidate Obama pointed out, President Obama could start withdrawing troops from Iraq and Afghanistan with 10 minutes after taking office. PO didn't.)
neilk 15y ago
Even if they are both guilty, that doesn't make either party less guilty.
dreamdu5t 15y ago
Agreed. The constant blame focused on the President is naive and unwarranted.

by sigzero 15y ago

antidaily 15y ago

Only if you don't count Bush taking us into the trillion dollar Iraq war without a congressional war declaration. not that i want to debate the merits of congress.

neolefty 15y ago
The real question is: will Cheney get a new apprentice, or will Bush kill him and get an apprentice of his own? Or was Rove the apprentice? And was Mitt Romney's true parentage concealed, and was he secretly raised in the Utah desert by trustworthy moisture farmers? Always two there are.
anamax 15y ago
> Only if you don't count Bush taking us into the trillion dollar Iraq war without a congressional war declaration. Congress approved, via explicit votes, the Iraq war at multiple points. There has never been a requirement for legislation that says "we declare war".
- jbooth 15y ago
  So who was that on TV constantly boosting the idea and bringing it into the State of the Union address, etc? Are you making the case that the Bush admin doesn't 1,000,000% own the Iraq war? Really? (FWIW, they were pushing tax cuts simultaneously). Just cause Congress got bullied into approving these things doesn't mean they weren't Bush initiatives.
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  - anamax 15y ago
    > So who was that on TV constantly boosting the idea and bringing it into the State of the Union address, etc? Huh? The claim was that congress didn't approve the Iraq war. It did, several times. The above has nothing to do with that fact. > Are you making the case that the Bush admin doesn't 1,000,000% own the Iraq war? Really? Do you really think that Congress bears no responsibility for the votes that it takes? > Just cause Congress got bullied into approving these things doesn't mean they weren't Bush initiatives. Poor little congresscritters, can't stand up to that mean old moron Bush. Obama hasn't varied from Bush's Iraq timetable at all. Is he also "bullied"? (As candidate Obama pointed out, President Obama could start withdrawing troops from Iraq and Afghanistan with 10 minutes after taking office. PO didn't.)

neilk 15y ago

Even if they are both guilty, that doesn't make either party less guilty.

dreamdu5t 15y ago

Agreed. The constant blame focused on the President is naive and unwarranted.