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1. Indian IT Services and Consulting companies (Infy,Wipro,TCS,Cognizant,Mahindra,HCL and 100 more) have engineering work which is as good as any of their count

1. Indian IT Services and Consulting companies (Infy,Wipro,TCS,Cognizant,Mahindra,HCL and 100 more) have engineering work which is as good as any of their counter parts in the world. This is proven by reshift in the delivery pie in the last decade. So, by saying these jobs are useless you are discrediting the whole of the IT services and consulting industry jobs across the world which include IBM, Accenture, Capgemeni, HP. 2. We are talking about product focussed companies and services focussed companies in the IT space. But both the types of companies have the other offering. It is the proportion of their revenues which varies. IT Companies keep shifting their portfolio of products and services based on market need - Infosys 3.0 is an example. So generalizing job nature on a company basis based on ones experience only is point less. 3. IT Services/ITO and consulting industry generates business revenues of US$595 billion across the world, this includes the services divisions of product companies. All product revenues put together is about $250 billion. So if every guy would work for only IT product focussed companies there would not be enough jobs. 4. There are people who write articles, whine and complain, quit and go. Choose the easy way out. Then, there are people who work to improve and make it better, lead society to a better world. Latter ones are the leaders and have received accolades in the history.

jumpin 15y ago
@uselessranter you are right that there is engineering work. but the people working here are not up to the mark. so they can't do engineering to do the engineering work. so they solve engineering work using lame methods. i will give you one example. one of my colleagues in these companies was manually reorganizing a CSV file row by row which can be easily automated by writing a program or using Unix filter commands. About point 4, mate, you are completely wrong. You can not improve and make Infosys TCS Wipro better. The management will not allow you to.
asutoshsarkar 15y ago
I have one simple question to people who are commenting that freshers should join Infy, TCS, Wipro. Why? You guys are not giving any good reason important to freshers. You guys are simply giving only philosophy like someone can join Infosys and likes to change the system, improve culture n engineering practices, service work is also important with product work etc. (Who is talking of service vs. product here? This is engineering vs. non engineering) Freshers are not interested in philosophy. They want to use their knowledge and learn how to do work properly along with earning money at the same time. Why will a fresher join a company to change the system and improve the culture of the company. Are they social reformers? Are they the managers of Infosys/TCS/Wipro? Should the freshers decide the culture of Infosys/TCS/Wipro or it is the responsibility of the CEOs, HRs and managements to decide the culture of Infosys/TCS/Wipro? I am just not able to understand why you guys are asking that someone should join Infosys/TCS/Wipro and work with people who don't know how to do proper engineering and force you to do bad software practices? In short you guys tell me why a fresher should join a company to do all these philosophical and cultural improvements instead of trying to join a company where the fresher can do proper engineering work and learn good coding and engineering practices from his seniors?
asutoshs 15y ago
I have one simple question to people who are commenting that freshers should join Infy, TCS, Wipro. Why? You guys are simply giving only philosophy like someone can join Infosys and likes to change the system, improve culture n engineering practices, service work is also important with product work etc. (Who is talking of service vs. product here? This is engineering vs. non engineering) Freshers are not interested in philosophy. They want to use their knowledge and learn how to do work properly along with earning money at the same time. Why will a fresher join a company to change the system and improve the culture of the company. Are they social reformers? Are they the managers of Infosys/TCS/Wipro? Should the freshers decide the culture of Infosys/TCS/Wipro or it is the responsibility of the CEOs, HRs and managements to decide the culture of Infosys/TCS/Wipro? In short you guys tell me why a fresher should join a company to do all these philosophical and cultural improvements instead of trying to join a company where the fresher can do proper engineering work and learn good coding and engineering practices from his seniors?
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- uselessranter 15y ago
  My friend, every company has a goto-market-strategy where it carves out a niche in a market place, that niche helps the company to grow and create a place for itself in the ecosystem. Japanese automobile manufacturers (Honda, Nissan, Toyota) in the 1960s were the largest supplier of mere auto engines to the USA, now if some Japanese at that time were to say we should be like Chevrolet and build great cars. they could never as a industry grown as they are today. Today Japanese cars are the top selling cars in USA. There are product engineering divisions in these companies - where end-to-end products are created (thus engineering them) from scratch and delivered to customers, one needs to clearly communicate his/her aspirations to get engaged in those opportunities. Who is a fresher? Fresher is a adult with 21 years experience in life. Mark Zukerberg was of the same age, when he started facebook. If you believe in yourself, please come up with an idea, make a presentation directly to the CEOs of Infy/Wipro/TCS - believe me they are very approachable people, explain why the product that you are creating has the top engineering work, will create great value for the customers and employees and makes financial sense to invest in. After all, there are products created by the employees of these same companies, that have been spun off as subsidiaries and have been very successful - Yantra OMS, OnMobile, CyberManage, Finacle, BaNCS. I am sure wise businessmen who run these companies will recognize the potential in your idea.

jumpin 15y ago

@uselessranter you are right that there is engineering work. but the people working here are not up to the mark. so they can't do engineering to do the engineering work. so they solve engineering work using lame methods. i will give you one example. one of my colleagues in these companies was manually reorganizing a CSV file row by row which can be easily automated by writing a program or using Unix filter commands. About point 4, mate, you are completely wrong. You can not improve and make Infosys TCS Wipro better. The management will not allow you to.

asutoshsarkar 15y ago

I have one simple question to people who are commenting that freshers should join Infy, TCS, Wipro. Why? You guys are not giving any good reason important to freshers. You guys are simply giving only philosophy like someone can join Infosys and likes to change the system, improve culture n engineering practices, service work is also important with product work etc. (Who is talking of service vs. product here? This is engineering vs. non engineering) Freshers are not interested in philosophy. They want to use their knowledge and learn how to do work properly along with earning money at the same time. Why will a fresher join a company to change the system and improve the culture of the company. Are they social reformers? Are they the managers of Infosys/TCS/Wipro? Should the freshers decide the culture of Infosys/TCS/Wipro or it is the responsibility of the CEOs, HRs and managements to decide the culture of Infosys/TCS/Wipro? I am just not able to understand why you guys are asking that someone should join Infosys/TCS/Wipro and work with people who don't know how to do proper engineering and force you to do bad software practices? In short you guys tell me why a fresher should join a company to do all these philosophical and cultural improvements instead of trying to join a company where the fresher can do proper engineering work and learn good coding and engineering practices from his seniors?

asutoshs 15y ago

I have one simple question to people who are commenting that freshers should join Infy, TCS, Wipro. Why? You guys are simply giving only philosophy like someone can join Infosys and likes to change the system, improve culture n engineering practices, service work is also important with product work etc. (Who is talking of service vs. product here? This is engineering vs. non engineering) Freshers are not interested in philosophy. They want to use their knowledge and learn how to do work properly along with earning money at the same time. Why will a fresher join a company to change the system and improve the culture of the company. Are they social reformers? Are they the managers of Infosys/TCS/Wipro? Should the freshers decide the culture of Infosys/TCS/Wipro or it is the responsibility of the CEOs, HRs and managements to decide the culture of Infosys/TCS/Wipro? In short you guys tell me why a fresher should join a company to do all these philosophical and cultural improvements instead of trying to join a company where the fresher can do proper engineering work and learn good coding and engineering practices from his seniors?

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uselessranter 15y ago
My friend, every company has a goto-market-strategy where it carves out a niche in a market place, that niche helps the company to grow and create a place for itself in the ecosystem. Japanese automobile manufacturers (Honda, Nissan, Toyota) in the 1960s were the largest supplier of mere auto engines to the USA, now if some Japanese at that time were to say we should be like Chevrolet and build great cars. they could never as a industry grown as they are today. Today Japanese cars are the top selling cars in USA. There are product engineering divisions in these companies - where end-to-end products are created (thus engineering them) from scratch and delivered to customers, one needs to clearly communicate his/her aspirations to get engaged in those opportunities. Who is a fresher? Fresher is a adult with 21 years experience in life. Mark Zukerberg was of the same age, when he started facebook. If you believe in yourself, please come up with an idea, make a presentation directly to the CEOs of Infy/Wipro/TCS - believe me they are very approachable people, explain why the product that you are creating has the top engineering work, will create great value for the customers and employees and makes financial sense to invest in. After all, there are products created by the employees of these same companies, that have been spun off as subsidiaries and have been very successful - Yantra OMS, OnMobile, CyberManage, Finacle, BaNCS. I am sure wise businessmen who run these companies will recognize the potential in your idea.