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Is this really how you view it? Like, you think that people are plotting how to induce scarcity in the market so that they will work harder? That doesn't seem

by Afton 6y ago

Is this really how you view it? Like, you think that people are plotting how to induce scarcity in the market so that they will work harder? That doesn't seem like a useful framing of the problem.

decebalus1 6y ago
> Like, you think that people are plotting how to induce scarcity in the market so that they will work harder? Yes. Believe it or not, there are lot of people (especially people in positions of authority/power) that believe this type of scarcity drives labor, ambition, society, etc.. forward. I mean just look at the current discussion about minimum wage and/or stimulus checks. But with real estate, I kind of agree with you, It can be a little far fetched to extend that mentality to housing scarcity. Housing scarcity is just because current owners want to have the value kept in real estate increasing. Hard to do when there's no scarcity. Only wannabe owners complain about housing prices.
hinkley 6y ago
Of I don’t look down while I’m walking, am I guiltless for what I step on?
CalRobert 6y ago
I think it's a a convenient accident more than an intentional outcome, but one that established homeowners and assetholders benefit from so it's encouraged. If nothing else, can you actually imagine a politician celebrating houses going down in price? Picture yourself walking up to a podium and announcing that the average 3 bed 2 bath in San Jose is now only $200,000, and what a fantastic achievement this is and how it will help people who have struggled to afford a home. What reaction do you get? Homeowners would be crying for blood because, whether they care to admit it or not, when it comes time to sell they want 2+ other people working their asses off and saving every penny they can to just _barely_ be able to put in a bid. I _am_ a homeowner, albeit of a cheap house, but I'd love to see prices fall because I wouldn't mind a second one. A spot on a couple acres near Portland might be nice, and some of them don't look too bad...
- chadcmulligan 6y ago
  > If nothing else, can you actually imagine a politician celebrating houses going down in price This is a big part of the problem imho - its a treadmill that you can't get off. With an ageing population that all own houses and getting generally more conservative, I can't see it changing any time soon. It strikes me as odd that everything is getting cheaper except houses - and you may say its land, but if thats the case apartments should be getting cheaper.
  - CalRobert 6y ago
    everything else getting cheaper is part of _why_ houses are getting more expensive. The savings get poured in to outbidding each other.
    - chadcmulligan 6y ago
      Thats an interesting thought.
      - CalRobert 6y ago
        Googler couple: "if we go for the cheap Tesla we can bid 3.1 instead of 3.2" Facebook couple: "If we go for the cheap round-the-world holiday we can bid 3.3 instead of 3.2" and on it goes.

by Afton 6y ago

Is this really how you view it? Like, you think that people are plotting how to induce scarcity in the market so that they will work harder? That doesn't seem like a useful framing of the problem.

decebalus1 6y ago

> Like, you think that people are plotting how to induce scarcity in the market so that they will work harder? Yes. Believe it or not, there are lot of people (especially people in positions of authority/power) that believe this type of scarcity drives labor, ambition, society, etc.. forward. I mean just look at the current discussion about minimum wage and/or stimulus checks. But with real estate, I kind of agree with you, It can be a little far fetched to extend that mentality to housing scarcity. Housing scarcity is just because current owners want to have the value kept in real estate increasing. Hard to do when there's no scarcity. Only wannabe owners complain about housing prices.

hinkley 6y ago

Of I don’t look down while I’m walking, am I guiltless for what I step on?

CalRobert 6y ago

I think it's a a convenient accident more than an intentional outcome, but one that established homeowners and assetholders benefit from so it's encouraged. If nothing else, can you actually imagine a politician celebrating houses going down in price? Picture yourself walking up to a podium and announcing that the average 3 bed 2 bath in San Jose is now only $200,000, and what a fantastic achievement this is and how it will help people who have struggled to afford a home. What reaction do you get? Homeowners would be crying for blood because, whether they care to admit it or not, when it comes time to sell they want 2+ other people working their asses off and saving every penny they can to just _barely_ be able to put in a bid. I _am_ a homeowner, albeit of a cheap house, but I'd love to see prices fall because I wouldn't mind a second one. A spot on a couple acres near Portland might be nice, and some of them don't look too bad...

chadcmulligan 6y ago
> If nothing else, can you actually imagine a politician celebrating houses going down in price This is a big part of the problem imho - its a treadmill that you can't get off. With an ageing population that all own houses and getting generally more conservative, I can't see it changing any time soon. It strikes me as odd that everything is getting cheaper except houses - and you may say its land, but if thats the case apartments should be getting cheaper.
- CalRobert 6y ago
  everything else getting cheaper is part of _why_ houses are getting more expensive. The savings get poured in to outbidding each other.
  - chadcmulligan 6y ago
    Thats an interesting thought.
    - CalRobert 6y ago
      Googler couple: "if we go for the cheap Tesla we can bid 3.1 instead of 3.2" Facebook couple: "If we go for the cheap round-the-world holiday we can bid 3.3 instead of 3.2" and on it goes.