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Because if you don't characterize women as an oppressed people in every possible instance then you're sexist. The truth is that women benefit a great deal from

Because if you don't characterize women as an oppressed people in every possible instance then you're sexist. The truth is that women benefit a great deal from the general goodwill that society grants them. From legal sentencing, to taking your kids to the park, to mentorship opportunities, to simply crossing the road. The list goes on, but western society generally goes out of its way to accommodate the needs of women, particularly in areas such as the job market, where men pave the way with increased risk taking.

audunw 6y ago
> Because if you don't characterize women as an oppressed people in every possible instance then you're sexist. Do people really say this? I've seen mens rights issues being raised carefully in the last few years, and I've never seen any backlash when done right. Like when you see articles written about women abusing men, or mens rights regarding children. Even women write about these issues. Feels like it's being accepted, just not being taken seriously enough yet. Maybe it's different in northern europe, but I haven't seen any backlash from international/US websites either. I think part of the problem is that men are afraid of defending these issues. In part because of projection about how others will react. Either if it's from womens right activists going against it, or other macho men saying men shouldn't care about child custody or equality for male in women-dominated workspaces and such. And there ARE also mens rights activist who are just using the issue to fight against womens rights, through whataboutisms and such. But don't let arguments against those people deter you from talking about reasonable mens rights issues.
- skinkestek 6y ago
  Try mentioning men's day at mens day on company slack or twitter to raise awareness of the abuse that young boys suffer in early school. Try to raise awareness of why men are sentenced harder for comparable offenses, graded more harshly (unless anonymous) etc. Count how many people immediately jump in to try to ridicule you, typically with something like: there are already 364 mens days in the year, why aren't you happy already?
- cutemonster 6y ago
  > Do people really say this? I didn't see any such replies here -- maybe at some other places some people do (Reddit / subreddits?) (I didn't downvote) > don't let arguments against those people deter you from talking about reasonable mens rights issues. Good point
NoSorryCannot 6y ago
I can see why you worry your commentary will be perceived as sexist.
- ZGDUwpqEWpUZ 6y ago
  Non-specific virtual signalling.
- throwawaygulf 6y ago
  Uncomfortable facts are racist/sexist/-ist/-ic/etc.

audunw 6y ago

> Because if you don't characterize women as an oppressed people in every possible instance then you're sexist. Do people really say this? I've seen mens rights issues being raised carefully in the last few years, and I've never seen any backlash when done right. Like when you see articles written about women abusing men, or mens rights regarding children. Even women write about these issues. Feels like it's being accepted, just not being taken seriously enough yet. Maybe it's different in northern europe, but I haven't seen any backlash from international/US websites either. I think part of the problem is that men are afraid of defending these issues. In part because of projection about how others will react. Either if it's from womens right activists going against it, or other macho men saying men shouldn't care about child custody or equality for male in women-dominated workspaces and such. And there ARE also mens rights activist who are just using the issue to fight against womens rights, through whataboutisms and such. But don't let arguments against those people deter you from talking about reasonable mens rights issues.

skinkestek 6y ago
Try mentioning men's day at mens day on company slack or twitter to raise awareness of the abuse that young boys suffer in early school. Try to raise awareness of why men are sentenced harder for comparable offenses, graded more harshly (unless anonymous) etc. Count how many people immediately jump in to try to ridicule you, typically with something like: there are already 364 mens days in the year, why aren't you happy already?
cutemonster 6y ago
> Do people really say this? I didn't see any such replies here -- maybe at some other places some people do (Reddit / subreddits?) (I didn't downvote) > don't let arguments against those people deter you from talking about reasonable mens rights issues. Good point

NoSorryCannot 6y ago

I can see why you worry your commentary will be perceived as sexist.

ZGDUwpqEWpUZ 6y ago
Non-specific virtual signalling.
throwawaygulf 6y ago
Uncomfortable facts are racist/sexist/-ist/-ic/etc.