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Future generations will consider us barbarians for dosing our young boys with drugs because we providing them with physical education/exercise was inconvenient
by zionic 6y ago
Future generations will consider us barbarians for dosing our young boys with drugs because we providing them with physical education/exercise was inconvenient to us. They'll also be able to datamine the internet from this time period and use our own words to hang us.
- grenoire 6y agoThat's a rather utopic view.
- selimthegrim 6y agoRoko's Fitness Trail?
- Causality1 6y agoIt'll be a long time yet. We haven't even moved past cutting pieces of them off for cosmetic reasons.
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- insert_coin 6y agoWhat? religion has been doing that for thousands of years.
- Causality1 6y agoIndeed. My point is that we haven't matured to the point of respecting our children enough to not mutilate them, which is a far more basic accomplishment than respecting their psychological needs. We force teenagers to adhere to the sleep schedules of adults despite numerous studies indicating doing so damages their health and academic performance. There are a lot of steps between where we are now and a society that will condemn us as barbarians for not providing boys extra PE.
- TeMPOraL 6y agoDepends on the medication. If they're on stims in particular, and the meds actually improve their behavior, then the cause most likely isn't insufficient PE time.
- teilo 6y agoNon sequitur
- TeMPOraL 6y agoBut it is, because we're talking about persistent deficiency of certain neurotransmitters in the brain, that's most likely[0] due to different brain makeup. You can't do enough PE to mitigate this and have enough energy left for everything else. -- [0] - I say "most likely" because I didn't investigate the claims that MRI can pick up on the difference. But from my initial difference, the effect is still hereditary, in at least large part genetic.
- hc-taway 6y agoThe effect of amphetamines on kids with ADHD is to improve school performance. The effect of amphetamines on kids without ADHD is to improve school performance. The effect of amphetamines on kids without ADHD but who've been diagnosed with ADHD because they're not getting enough exercise is... to improve school performance.
- TeMPOraL 6y agoAmphetamines aren't magic. There are qualitative differences in response between people with and without ADHD, that manifest across the board, not just on few school metrics - and a psychiatrist will be able to see them. The "young unruly boys without enough PE" is a well-known trope, and modern school is very much kid torture - but I'm not willing to say yet that we're medicating children too much, when the world is only slowly waking up to the fact that we've been underdiagnosing ADHD by at least factor of 2 - this stereotype of unruly boys means the Primarily Inattentive subtype of ADHD is being frequently ignored (vs. the Primarily Hyperactive that creates all the stereotypes), that girls suffering from ADHD are not being diagnosed, not to mention adults.
- powersnail 6y agoI hope that's what will happen. It means that the future will not need to dose people with drugs. We'll have created a world where people's natural physique is mostly enough for living a happy life. In a darker vision, the future society will be more heavily dependent on drugs, regardless of age.
- TeMPOraL 6y agoIt will not, because it doesn't impact the genetic/hereditary factors in any way. Getting your body in shape does not cure actual ADHD. Exercise makes it at best manageable for the low-severity cases. > In a darker vision, the future society will be more heavily dependent on drugs, regardless of age. It's kind of a given, until we transition to post-drug era, where we inject our bodies with nanobots that fix what wasn't already fixed by genetic engineering of the gametes. Until then, I think it's worth re-evaluating this view while replacing "ADHD" with "diabetes" or "hypertension" or "rheumatism" or "asthma" or... insert any persistent and disruptive condition a person may suffer from regardless of the shape in which they keep their body. We should apply drugs where they help more than they harm, until we have better alternatives.
- chewxy 6y agoRunnning around does not make a child with ADHD more sedate or perform better in the classroom. "Just go do some exercise" is like telling depressed people to "just cheer up". Yes, exercise definitely helps. But it doesn't make one's mind less noisy internally. Buddhists talk of monkey minds. ADHD is like having a zoo of minds. This anti-medication bias is causing a lot of stigma in society for children who actually need them.
- ScoobleDoodle 6y agoMy understanding of the parent and grandparent comments are that they are lamenting that boys are being diagnosed and/or dosed with ADHD medication just because they aren't given time and space to work out their energy. So schools and society are dealing with fidgety unfocused boys by giving them false diagnosis and inappropriate medication. This is all distinct from people who actually really have ADHD and in which case medications can be appropriate.
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- harrierpigeon 6y agoI have properly clinically diagnosed ADHD- for me in HS there was a definite correlation between time spent exercising and grades- when the sports season ended, there was almost always a dip in my grades from tests and the like two weeks later. Call it anecdata if you will, but there's got to be at least some sort of correlation between exercise and mental state- I doubt it's just a thing for people with ADHD, either.
- 908B64B197 6y ago> Runnning around does not make a child with ADHD more sedate or perform better in the classroom. "Just go do some exercise" is like telling depressed people to "just cheer up". You are completely right. What I meant is that I have a feeling that often ADHD is diagnosed out of convenience rather than a real illness. I certainly didn't mean that all ADHD diagnosis are a scam.
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- ingqondo 6y agoMore likely people will make excuses for us and say 'well it was a different time' even though comments like yours and articles like this are clear exceptions. There is a certain condescending sympathy that we afford to people just because they lived in the past. It comes from a misplaced desire to avoid anachronism, but ends up committing anachronism anyway.
- GLGirty 6y ago> They'll also be able to datamine the internet We are such barbarians that I assume that tech will not exist to future generations.
- Scea91 6y agoIt is good to mention that it this is not a global phenomenon. I am from Czechia, of course there are some kids diagnosed with ADHD and taking medication, but I would guess it is a very low number compared to USA.