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Everything you've stated (following rules and instructions, etc.) also applies in the workplace, so if you were correct you would the same sort of discrepancy i

Everything you've stated (following rules and instructions, etc.) also applies in the workplace, so if you were correct you would the same sort of discrepancy in the workforce. In my working life every time I brazenly break the rules and ignore instructions I end up getting a raise, or promotion. This is across 5 or 6 jobs stretched out over 23 years in small businesses, and fortune 100 companies. This is because I always back it up with results In school, any deviation, regardless of intention or outcome, was perceived by my teachers as being disrepectful to their authority, and was quickly punished. To be fair, I went to catholic school in the 80s/early 90s, so following rules was probably a bigger emphasis than most people's experiences.

endisneigh 6y ago
Your anecdote is interesting, but without knowing how often women also break the same rules and ignore the same instructions and get results it's pretty meaningless. I mean, good for you I guess?
xiphias2 6y ago
Women started breaking the rules as well now, as that’s what’s coming from the media. The problem is of course when somebody does it without providing results / breaking rules that they shouldn’t (some of the firings from Google happened because of this). I expect this to normalize though.
theropost 6y ago
I agree totally - if you brazenly break the rules, you tend to get punished.. unless you back it up with real results. Disrupters tend to be the innovators in society. School does not value disrupters in the same way as a business might. In a school setting, someone who listens, follows the rules, and does not challenge the structure of the institution is highly likely to receive excellent grades. In a business setting, this person may be an employee who contributes to the team by doing their job, and doing it accurately and consistently. A disrupter may work in the same job, and challenge the way things are done - they may fail in doing so, and be repremanded or fired, or they may succeed in their disruption, and allow for a change in the process or job, resulting in greater efficiency. This is the trade off in my humble opinion.

endisneigh 6y ago

Your anecdote is interesting, but without knowing how often women also break the same rules and ignore the same instructions and get results it's pretty meaningless. I mean, good for you I guess?

xiphias2 6y ago

Women started breaking the rules as well now, as that’s what’s coming from the media. The problem is of course when somebody does it without providing results / breaking rules that they shouldn’t (some of the firings from Google happened because of this). I expect this to normalize though.

theropost 6y ago

I agree totally - if you brazenly break the rules, you tend to get punished.. unless you back it up with real results. Disrupters tend to be the innovators in society. School does not value disrupters in the same way as a business might. In a school setting, someone who listens, follows the rules, and does not challenge the structure of the institution is highly likely to receive excellent grades. In a business setting, this person may be an employee who contributes to the team by doing their job, and doing it accurately and consistently. A disrupter may work in the same job, and challenge the way things are done - they may fail in doing so, and be repremanded or fired, or they may succeed in their disruption, and allow for a change in the process or job, resulting in greater efficiency. This is the trade off in my humble opinion.