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Why the flood of downvotes? Are the quotes offending people? They are directly from the executive summary of the report

Y-bar 6y ago
It seems you are Just Asking Questions about a subject whose answers are readily available in a Wikipedia Article with 300 citations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide Nobody but you knows where you get your information from, but it would help if you showed some effort of why you think it has not been reported before (when it has).
- hertzrat 6y ago
  You’re doubting the source of my quotes and saying I shouldn’t have posted them if there is already online documentation on it?
  - Y-bar 6y ago
    No, from my perspective this is why you get down-voted: > I had not heard of any of this before today. The news only talked about internment, surveillance, and forced labour. You seem to lay blame on the media for not telling you about this when it has previously been reported. For example BBC has consistently reported on this, so you apparently do not read BBC or check Wikipedia when a new subject arises where you find something you have not heard about before. > China forcing birth control on Uighurs to suppress population, report says > https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53220713 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53220713 BBC 2020 > China Muslims: Xinjiang schools used to separate children from families > https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-48825090 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-48825090 BBC 2019 It is medias job to report stuff, but it is also our job to actually read it and not blame media when we fail to do so.
    - hertzrat 6y ago
      I’m not blaming anyone, I’m saying I’m surprised and that it’s new information for me. Stop mind reading
      - Y-bar 6y ago
        Serious question here. How could I attempt to answer your questions without at least attempting to be emphatic to where you are coming from? Does it not require a modicum of "walking in your shoes" and trying to see things from your perspective? It just looks like you are taking an antagonistic stance by saying "Stop mind reading" to my attempts at contributing to answering your question here. (by the way, I see my own points go down negative here, just like yours so I also wonder)
  - munk-a 6y ago
    To clarify the OP Just Asking Questions[1] is a slimey rhetorical tool that's meant to cast doubt on the statements it's like saying "The Nazis ran concentration camps? Oh I haven't heard anything about that from the papers I read." that statement is subtly (or not) implying uncertainty in the veracity of the existence of concentration camps by pointing out that they aren't being universally decried. I think that reading your original comment as JAQ is a bit of a bad faith action, but this is also a topic that produces a lot of vitriol on both sides so I can see why the commenter read it in such a manner. 1. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Just_asking_questions https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Just_asking_questions
ketzo 6y ago
Frankly, this thread is filled with stuff that's getting downvoted for no reason, and some really off-topic comments.
munk-a 6y ago
I think it might be partially due to the fact that while none of your quotes are inaccurate you didn't really add anything to the quotes. I didn't downvote your comment as it's a pretty reasonable statement that seems to have been made in good faith but comments should add to and build on the contents of the article and, while many people don't RTFA here the assumption is that folks should be doing so. So just reposting a snippet of the article without any commentary or analysis isn't really adding anything to the discussion. HN does have some very good posting guidelines if you're unfamiliar: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- hertzrat 6y ago
  The vast majority of people don’t actually read the articles that get posted. I would have appreciated having a few lines highlighted for myself because after reading dozens of articles about this, this information still came as surprising
  - munk-a 6y ago
    I think that's quite a fair stance - I don't particularly appreciate snippeting without commentary so it's not something I'd upvote but also not something I'm going to downvote.

It seems you are Just Asking Questions about a subject whose answers are readily available in a Wikipedia Article with 300 citations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide Nobody but you knows where you get your information from, but it would help if you showed some effort of why you think it has not been reported before (when it has).

hertzrat 6y ago
You’re doubting the source of my quotes and saying I shouldn’t have posted them if there is already online documentation on it?
- Y-bar 6y ago
  No, from my perspective this is why you get down-voted: > I had not heard of any of this before today. The news only talked about internment, surveillance, and forced labour. You seem to lay blame on the media for not telling you about this when it has previously been reported. For example BBC has consistently reported on this, so you apparently do not read BBC or check Wikipedia when a new subject arises where you find something you have not heard about before. > China forcing birth control on Uighurs to suppress population, report says > https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53220713 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53220713 BBC 2020 > China Muslims: Xinjiang schools used to separate children from families > https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-48825090 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-48825090 BBC 2019 It is medias job to report stuff, but it is also our job to actually read it and not blame media when we fail to do so.
  - hertzrat 6y ago
    I’m not blaming anyone, I’m saying I’m surprised and that it’s new information for me. Stop mind reading
    - Y-bar 6y ago
      Serious question here. How could I attempt to answer your questions without at least attempting to be emphatic to where you are coming from? Does it not require a modicum of "walking in your shoes" and trying to see things from your perspective? It just looks like you are taking an antagonistic stance by saying "Stop mind reading" to my attempts at contributing to answering your question here. (by the way, I see my own points go down negative here, just like yours so I also wonder)
- munk-a 6y ago
  To clarify the OP Just Asking Questions[1] is a slimey rhetorical tool that's meant to cast doubt on the statements it's like saying "The Nazis ran concentration camps? Oh I haven't heard anything about that from the papers I read." that statement is subtly (or not) implying uncertainty in the veracity of the existence of concentration camps by pointing out that they aren't being universally decried. I think that reading your original comment as JAQ is a bit of a bad faith action, but this is also a topic that produces a lot of vitriol on both sides so I can see why the commenter read it in such a manner. 1. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Just_asking_questions https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Just_asking_questions

ketzo 6y ago

Frankly, this thread is filled with stuff that's getting downvoted for no reason, and some really off-topic comments.

munk-a 6y ago

I think it might be partially due to the fact that while none of your quotes are inaccurate you didn't really add anything to the quotes. I didn't downvote your comment as it's a pretty reasonable statement that seems to have been made in good faith but comments should add to and build on the contents of the article and, while many people don't RTFA here the assumption is that folks should be doing so. So just reposting a snippet of the article without any commentary or analysis isn't really adding anything to the discussion. HN does have some very good posting guidelines if you're unfamiliar: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

hertzrat 6y ago
The vast majority of people don’t actually read the articles that get posted. I would have appreciated having a few lines highlighted for myself because after reading dozens of articles about this, this information still came as surprising
- munk-a 6y ago
  I think that's quite a fair stance - I don't particularly appreciate snippeting without commentary so it's not something I'd upvote but also not something I'm going to downvote.