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Performing well academically usually means that the student is good at at completing assignments in a way that aligns with the teachers grading rubric. I think

Performing well academically usually means that the student is good at at completing assignments in a way that aligns with the teachers grading rubric. I think boys have a certain contempt for that for a variety of reasons (at least mine do) so they focus their attention on how to work around the system, which probably yields an advantage later in the workplace.

visarga 6y ago
Like when you solve the arithmetic problem with algebra and the teacher says it's wrong because you didn't use the official method?
- tester756 6y ago
  on the test that's testing whether you're proficent with _official method_? or maybe because your _official method_ was "under some assumptions" or "by guessing that" I've heard that complain countless times from friends and I think always the reason was that it wasn't formally correct.
  - ZephyrBlu 6y ago
    Why do you need to use a specific method to solve a problem? Especially with something broad like algebra, there are often many ways to solve a problem.
    - tester756 6y ago
      Because teacher on previous lesson tried to teach the class e.g about using derivatives to find extremas, and now he's testing whether you managed to learn it. his job is mainly to teach you stuff. Of course there are also tests where you can use anything you want as long as it is formally correct e.g leaving school exams, end of semester exams and many more... It's not the greatest approach but I guess it scales?
      - ZephyrBlu 6y ago
        > his job is mainly to teach you stuff I see the role of a teacher as someone who helps you learn, rather than someone who only teaches you things. If a student finds a particular method or approach easier to comprehend, shouldn't the teacher adapt to that rather than forcing you to use the "correct" method? If a teacher is dogmatic in their approach, I would call that poor teaching.
        tester756 6y ago
        >If a student finds a particular method or approach easier to comprehend, shouldn't the teacher adapt to that rather than forcing you to use the "correct" method? your school leaving exams or next school will probably not care and they will test whatever they want, so why take a risk? you can be challenged by a task which is doable in both methods, but "recommened" approach needs 3min in order to get this done, meanwhile your's solution needs 15min. I mean here that standarized tests aren't some kind of trickery, they just tend to test how many various approaches do you know. ___________ also how many times can it be done? (deciding that it's ok to use other/easier method instead of "state of art" solution) once? twice? thrice? very often?
        ZephyrBlu 6y ago
        You have created a strawman argument... This has nothing to do with standardized testing or "state of the art", it's about learning. There are many situations where there are multiple approaches to a problem and none of them are more "correct" than the other ones. > but "recommened" approach needs 3min in order to get this done, meanwhile your's solution needs 15min The point is that what if the recommended approach takes someone 15min, and a different approach that they understand better takes 3min.

visarga 6y ago

Like when you solve the arithmetic problem with algebra and the teacher says it's wrong because you didn't use the official method?

tester756 6y ago
on the test that's testing whether you're proficent with _official method_? or maybe because your _official method_ was "under some assumptions" or "by guessing that" I've heard that complain countless times from friends and I think always the reason was that it wasn't formally correct.
- ZephyrBlu 6y ago
  Why do you need to use a specific method to solve a problem? Especially with something broad like algebra, there are often many ways to solve a problem.
  - tester756 6y ago
    Because teacher on previous lesson tried to teach the class e.g about using derivatives to find extremas, and now he's testing whether you managed to learn it. his job is mainly to teach you stuff. Of course there are also tests where you can use anything you want as long as it is formally correct e.g leaving school exams, end of semester exams and many more... It's not the greatest approach but I guess it scales?
    - ZephyrBlu 6y ago
      > his job is mainly to teach you stuff I see the role of a teacher as someone who helps you learn, rather than someone who only teaches you things. If a student finds a particular method or approach easier to comprehend, shouldn't the teacher adapt to that rather than forcing you to use the "correct" method? If a teacher is dogmatic in their approach, I would call that poor teaching.
      - tester756 6y ago
        >If a student finds a particular method or approach easier to comprehend, shouldn't the teacher adapt to that rather than forcing you to use the "correct" method? your school leaving exams or next school will probably not care and they will test whatever they want, so why take a risk? you can be challenged by a task which is doable in both methods, but "recommened" approach needs 3min in order to get this done, meanwhile your's solution needs 15min. I mean here that standarized tests aren't some kind of trickery, they just tend to test how many various approaches do you know. ___________ also how many times can it be done? (deciding that it's ok to use other/easier method instead of "state of art" solution) once? twice? thrice? very often?
        ZephyrBlu 6y ago
        You have created a strawman argument... This has nothing to do with standardized testing or "state of the art", it's about learning. There are many situations where there are multiple approaches to a problem and none of them are more "correct" than the other ones. > but "recommened" approach needs 3min in order to get this done, meanwhile your's solution needs 15min The point is that what if the recommended approach takes someone 15min, and a different approach that they understand better takes 3min.