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One of the most horrific actions in this genocide was when the Chinese Air force bombed a wedding in Xinjiang, killing 37 people - many innocent women and child

One of the most horrific actions in this genocide was when the Chinese Air force bombed a wedding in Xinjiang, killing 37 people - many innocent women and children. Oops! That was the US Air force 13 years ago, bombing a couple hundred kilometers southwest of Xinjiang, in a bordering country ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wech_Baghtu_wedding_party_airstrike https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wech_Baghtu_wedding_party_ai... ). It's illustrative how Americans get up in arms about how the Chinese dealing with Muslim terrorists in their own country deal with human rights, while they have flown across the world to perform massacres in the country on Xinjiang's western border.

AnimalMuppet 6y ago
There is a moral difference between accidental mistake and deliberate action.
- refenestrator 6y ago
  The US has accidentally killed more muslims than China every single year for the last 20 years, though. At some point you have to wonder why all these accidents keep happening, and why they always serve US geopolitical interests.
  - marshmallow_12 6y ago
    Basically, the USA has strategic interests in Muslim countries. They therefore maintain a military presence there. There is a lot of fighting going on in those places, which means that sometimes the military is forced to respond, people get killed, sometimes. These accidents keep happening because the conflicts are ongoing. By the way, can you show statistics to back up your claims?
- coliveira 6y ago
  Right, because everything wrong the American government does is by "mistake"...
  - marshmallow_12 6y ago
    Exactly, they are not ideologically bent on persecuting groups of people. Therefore, if people get killed, they can be attributed to errors of judgement.
    - coliveira 6y ago
      Of course, there is no racial hate between large parts of American population against Arabs... (sarcasm)
      - marshmallow_12 6y ago
        I'm sure there is, there are racists everywhere. I'm not sure what you mean.
    - monocasa 6y ago
      The people in my high school graduating class in 2005 who joined the armed forces were very excited to be given the opportunity to "kill a bunch of sand ni**rs". They didn't get that mentality out of nowhere.
      - marshmallow_12 6y ago
        Powerful as your story is, it is only anecdotal evidence, not empirical.
        monocasa 6y ago
        It's literally empirical, you just might not argue it's conclusive. But ultimately I'm not going to be gaslit into this weird idea that you're pushing that the US armed forces don't have a racial component to the massive amounts of deaths they've created, when I've seen that with my own eyes.
- whimsicalism 6y ago
  Yes, but I also think it is harder when the accidents are foreseen. The United States doesn't take repeated military actions with the rational expectation that there won't be these accidental killings of civilians, so because they are foreseen, they are arguably intended.
g00gler 6y ago
Can you provide some sources for terrorist attacks perpetrated by Uighers?
- dyadic 6y ago
  They're talking about East Turkistan Islamic Movement (ETIM), it's the Uyghur jihadist organization that's conducted a number of terrorist attacks using bombs and knives. I don't have a source to hand but you can find some attacks listed on their wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkistan_Islamic_Party#Attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkistan_Islamic_Party#Attack...
  - jedimind 6y ago
    It's a weak propagandist tactic to deflect, with false accusations of "terrorism", from the real geopolitical importance of xinjiang: https://youtu.be/ZxvYcByv2M8 https://youtu.be/ZxvYcByv2M8
    - deleted 6y ago
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    - dyadic 6y ago
      You've been posting similar comments all over this thread and it's a bit tiring. You don't have to like or support what China are doing to acknowledge that the terrorism was real. These are real groups and real documented events that you would be calling terrorism if they'd happened in any other country. Be careful when you start making friends with your enemy's enemy.
      - aptidude187 6y ago
        Well if people like you spread pro ccp talking points then I see absolutely no reason why he shouldn't repeatedly post the evidence dismantling your propaganda. The absurdity is that China's reign is a literal reign of terror and misinformation as we already saw in Hong Kong and throughout history, not only in Xinjiang, but in their own territories (Tiananmen Square for instance) or dystopian surveillance and oppression, so accusing them of "terrorism" is just the pot calling the kettle black.
kuyan 6y ago
> It's illustrative how Americans get up in arms about how the Chinese dealing with Muslim terrorists in their own country deal with human rights, while they have flown across the world to perform massacres in the country on Xinjiang's western border. The United States has a long, violent history that continues into the present day. I don't think anyone here is arguing that. It doesn't make the PRC's actions better, nor does it mean that we shouldn't condemn abuses of human rights where we see them.
- jedimind 6y ago
  Don fall for the "terrorism" deception, it's about the geopolitical importance of xinjiang: https://youtu.be/ZxvYcByv2M8 https://youtu.be/ZxvYcByv2M8
  - monocasa 6y ago
    You'd be better off not pushing a video of unsourced commentary over clips from Mulan and Captain America.
    - aptidude187 6y ago
      You'd be better off not shilling for the ccp by attacking the validity of the video with petty remarks instead of specifying what exactly you are missing sources for. Most of the content was from well known research and is visible directly in the video itself.
      - monocasa 6y ago
        I'd suggest you look at how documentaries like "What the Bleep Do We Know" and "The Principle" are created out of editing together unrelated emotionally impactful set pieces and out of context statements from authorities and otherwise valid sources. This video is using all the same editing techniques as you would to push geocentricism and make it look like Michio Kaku is onboard with it. That's why they include crap like a The Winter Soldier from Marvel being interrogated and random clips from Mulan, while giving quotes that can't use an entire sentence of before being forced to use a jump cut.
disgrunt 6y ago
36 people at a wedding is a tragedy, 2.5 million Uyghurs is a statistic?
- Daho0n 6y ago
  Yes, some would say so, just like they would of the deaths at 9/11 versus the 50.000 dead children caused by the reaction.
munk-a 6y ago
Some of us here aren't American and don't see America as the sort of inspirational bastion of freedom that seems to be internally reinforced by your media. Both America & the PRC can be in the wrong simultaneously, but, that said, the PRC is clearly more in the wrong.
- dirtyid 6y ago
  Without considering US foreign policy. Even taking the most extreme Zenz estimates, a Uyghur in XJ has less lifetime chance of being incarcerated as a black American in US. And unlike US/western segregationist tendencies at cultural level, the XJ forced integration systems are designed to assimilate and not be a multi-generational minority repression trap. Compare development in Urumqi, Kashgar in XJ to western ghettos (i.e. French Banlieue) or indigenous preserves in Canada without basic amenities. Future BLM, indigenous and minority activists will be fighting long after next generations of Sinicized Uyghurs. Morality is complicated, especially evaluated on factors like time scope. The "long arc" moral universe is not necessarily better than "5 year" plan, and indeed the nature of compound interests / suffering suggest to me, that it's not.
  - CyanBird 6y ago
    Zenz insanity aside, I am just interested in why the "witnesses" strolled around western and specifically us affiliated mass media keep changing their stories and narratives https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/02/they-dont-only-rape-but-also-bite-all-over-your-body-horror-stories-told-by-chinese-defectors-contin.html https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/02/they-dont-only-rape-bu...
- whimsicalism 6y ago
  Yes, I don't think the United States does anything close to what the PRC is doing to its own citizens domestically, although I guess you can draw some comparisons with mass incarceration. A more similar comparison with the West would be how Israel sterilized non-white jews through the 90s into the 00s. e: and I'm downvoted for...?
- Daho0n 6y ago
disgrunt 6y ago
There are approximately 3.45 million Muslims living in the U.S., none are being held in reeducation camps. [0] [0]: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/01/03/new-estimates-show-u-s-muslim-population-continues-to-grow/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/01/03/new-estimat...
vorpalhex 6y ago
Sorry, what does a bombing in Afghanistan have to do with the CCP performing a genocide against an ethnic and religious minority?
seppin 6y ago
"What about ..." is not an answer to any question that has ever been asked.

AnimalMuppet 6y ago

There is a moral difference between accidental mistake and deliberate action.

refenestrator 6y ago
The US has accidentally killed more muslims than China every single year for the last 20 years, though. At some point you have to wonder why all these accidents keep happening, and why they always serve US geopolitical interests.
- marshmallow_12 6y ago
  Basically, the USA has strategic interests in Muslim countries. They therefore maintain a military presence there. There is a lot of fighting going on in those places, which means that sometimes the military is forced to respond, people get killed, sometimes. These accidents keep happening because the conflicts are ongoing. By the way, can you show statistics to back up your claims?
coliveira 6y ago
Right, because everything wrong the American government does is by "mistake"...
- marshmallow_12 6y ago
  Exactly, they are not ideologically bent on persecuting groups of people. Therefore, if people get killed, they can be attributed to errors of judgement.
  - coliveira 6y ago
    Of course, there is no racial hate between large parts of American population against Arabs... (sarcasm)
    - marshmallow_12 6y ago
      I'm sure there is, there are racists everywhere. I'm not sure what you mean.
  - monocasa 6y ago
    The people in my high school graduating class in 2005 who joined the armed forces were very excited to be given the opportunity to "kill a bunch of sand ni**rs". They didn't get that mentality out of nowhere.
    - marshmallow_12 6y ago
      Powerful as your story is, it is only anecdotal evidence, not empirical.
      - monocasa 6y ago
        It's literally empirical, you just might not argue it's conclusive. But ultimately I'm not going to be gaslit into this weird idea that you're pushing that the US armed forces don't have a racial component to the massive amounts of deaths they've created, when I've seen that with my own eyes.
whimsicalism 6y ago
Yes, but I also think it is harder when the accidents are foreseen. The United States doesn't take repeated military actions with the rational expectation that there won't be these accidental killings of civilians, so because they are foreseen, they are arguably intended.

g00gler 6y ago

Can you provide some sources for terrorist attacks perpetrated by Uighers?

dyadic 6y ago
They're talking about East Turkistan Islamic Movement (ETIM), it's the Uyghur jihadist organization that's conducted a number of terrorist attacks using bombs and knives. I don't have a source to hand but you can find some attacks listed on their wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkistan_Islamic_Party#Attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkistan_Islamic_Party#Attack...
- jedimind 6y ago
  It's a weak propagandist tactic to deflect, with false accusations of "terrorism", from the real geopolitical importance of xinjiang: https://youtu.be/ZxvYcByv2M8 https://youtu.be/ZxvYcByv2M8
  - deleted 6y ago
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  - dyadic 6y ago
    You've been posting similar comments all over this thread and it's a bit tiring. You don't have to like or support what China are doing to acknowledge that the terrorism was real. These are real groups and real documented events that you would be calling terrorism if they'd happened in any other country. Be careful when you start making friends with your enemy's enemy.
    - aptidude187 6y ago
      Well if people like you spread pro ccp talking points then I see absolutely no reason why he shouldn't repeatedly post the evidence dismantling your propaganda. The absurdity is that China's reign is a literal reign of terror and misinformation as we already saw in Hong Kong and throughout history, not only in Xinjiang, but in their own territories (Tiananmen Square for instance) or dystopian surveillance and oppression, so accusing them of "terrorism" is just the pot calling the kettle black.

kuyan 6y ago

> It's illustrative how Americans get up in arms about how the Chinese dealing with Muslim terrorists in their own country deal with human rights, while they have flown across the world to perform massacres in the country on Xinjiang's western border. The United States has a long, violent history that continues into the present day. I don't think anyone here is arguing that. It doesn't make the PRC's actions better, nor does it mean that we shouldn't condemn abuses of human rights where we see them.

jedimind 6y ago
Don fall for the "terrorism" deception, it's about the geopolitical importance of xinjiang: https://youtu.be/ZxvYcByv2M8 https://youtu.be/ZxvYcByv2M8
- monocasa 6y ago
  You'd be better off not pushing a video of unsourced commentary over clips from Mulan and Captain America.
  - aptidude187 6y ago
    You'd be better off not shilling for the ccp by attacking the validity of the video with petty remarks instead of specifying what exactly you are missing sources for. Most of the content was from well known research and is visible directly in the video itself.
    - monocasa 6y ago
      I'd suggest you look at how documentaries like "What the Bleep Do We Know" and "The Principle" are created out of editing together unrelated emotionally impactful set pieces and out of context statements from authorities and otherwise valid sources. This video is using all the same editing techniques as you would to push geocentricism and make it look like Michio Kaku is onboard with it. That's why they include crap like a The Winter Soldier from Marvel being interrogated and random clips from Mulan, while giving quotes that can't use an entire sentence of before being forced to use a jump cut.

disgrunt 6y ago

36 people at a wedding is a tragedy, 2.5 million Uyghurs is a statistic?

Daho0n 6y ago
Yes, some would say so, just like they would of the deaths at 9/11 versus the 50.000 dead children caused by the reaction.

munk-a 6y ago

Some of us here aren't American and don't see America as the sort of inspirational bastion of freedom that seems to be internally reinforced by your media. Both America & the PRC can be in the wrong simultaneously, but, that said, the PRC is clearly more in the wrong.

dirtyid 6y ago
Without considering US foreign policy. Even taking the most extreme Zenz estimates, a Uyghur in XJ has less lifetime chance of being incarcerated as a black American in US. And unlike US/western segregationist tendencies at cultural level, the XJ forced integration systems are designed to assimilate and not be a multi-generational minority repression trap. Compare development in Urumqi, Kashgar in XJ to western ghettos (i.e. French Banlieue) or indigenous preserves in Canada without basic amenities. Future BLM, indigenous and minority activists will be fighting long after next generations of Sinicized Uyghurs. Morality is complicated, especially evaluated on factors like time scope. The "long arc" moral universe is not necessarily better than "5 year" plan, and indeed the nature of compound interests / suffering suggest to me, that it's not.
- CyanBird 6y ago
  Zenz insanity aside, I am just interested in why the "witnesses" strolled around western and specifically us affiliated mass media keep changing their stories and narratives https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/02/they-dont-only-rape-but-also-bite-all-over-your-body-horror-stories-told-by-chinese-defectors-contin.html https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/02/they-dont-only-rape-bu...
whimsicalism 6y ago
Yes, I don't think the United States does anything close to what the PRC is doing to its own citizens domestically, although I guess you can draw some comparisons with mass incarceration. A more similar comparison with the West would be how Israel sterilized non-white jews through the 90s into the 00s. e: and I'm downvoted for...?
Daho0n 6y ago

disgrunt 6y ago

There are approximately 3.45 million Muslims living in the U.S., none are being held in reeducation camps. [0] [0]: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/01/03/new-estimates-show-u-s-muslim-population-continues-to-grow/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/01/03/new-estimat...

vorpalhex 6y ago

Sorry, what does a bombing in Afghanistan have to do with the CCP performing a genocide against an ethnic and religious minority?

seppin 6y ago

"What about ..." is not an answer to any question that has ever been asked.