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Because women naturally list towards jobs that pay less, and under conditions that pay less (part time, contract work, etc). How many deep sea welders are wome

by 0xy 6y ago

Because women naturally list towards jobs that pay less, and under conditions that pay less (part time, contract work, etc). How many deep sea welders are women? Less than 0.1%. How many oil rig workers are women? Less than 1%. Good deep sea welders earn over $300k.

krisdol 6y ago
Hard to live up to the expectation of being a good mother and spending months on an oil rig at the same time.
- throwaway894345 6y ago
  I doubt it's "expectations of being a good mother". Countries with the most liberal attitudes toward gender have some of the most extreme occupational gender disparities and vice versa.
- Dirlewanger 6y ago
  You're being disingenuous and you know it. Most women don't take the high risk jobs. They never have, they're not evolved for it. This isn't sexist to point this out, this is just how things are. Why do people here struggle to understand concept of gender roles that have been in place (and have worked) for hundreds of thousands of years? This isn't the "patriarchy" boogeyman, this is how societies started and thrived.
wizzwizz4 6y ago
Define “naturally”.
- 0xy 6y ago
  Meaning on average, most women list towards them. There are large differences between genders in terms of career motivations, interests etc. Proven in many studies repeatedly.
  - wizzwizz4 6y ago
    > There are large differences between genders in terms of career motivations, interests etc. I think this would be the case for the hypothetical “party if you're a man, standing outside in the rain if you're a woman” job, too. How do you know you're describing something about the people you're measuring, as opposed to the people around them?
La1n 6y ago
>Because women naturally list towards jobs that pay less, Couldn't one then also argue that jobs women list towards get paid less? E.g. instead of asking why women gravitate to those jobs that are paid less, ask why the jobs women gravitate towards are paid less.
- missedthecue 6y ago
  The fact that daycare workers (a job dominated 97% by females) earn $35k a year while carpenters, welders, and electricians (jobs dominated 98% by males) earn $80k is not a fact that I think is attributable to bigoted sexism.
BobbyJo 6y ago
I don't think those are what the parent was referring to as 'top tier'. Those pay well, but in both cases they are highly paid because of risk and life disruption (having to spend extended time away from home on rigs). It's my understanding that men are naturally less risk-averse, so the gender differences there seem natural to me. I'm betting they meant CEO positions, board positions, and high ranking corporate officers.
Dirlewanger 6y ago
Only on HN will facts like these get downvoted. Why is this community so allergic to discussing this topic in an unbiased manner?

by 0xy 6y ago

krisdol 6y ago

Hard to live up to the expectation of being a good mother and spending months on an oil rig at the same time.

throwaway894345 6y ago
I doubt it's "expectations of being a good mother". Countries with the most liberal attitudes toward gender have some of the most extreme occupational gender disparities and vice versa.
Dirlewanger 6y ago
You're being disingenuous and you know it. Most women don't take the high risk jobs. They never have, they're not evolved for it. This isn't sexist to point this out, this is just how things are. Why do people here struggle to understand concept of gender roles that have been in place (and have worked) for hundreds of thousands of years? This isn't the "patriarchy" boogeyman, this is how societies started and thrived.

wizzwizz4 6y ago

Define “naturally”.

0xy 6y ago
Meaning on average, most women list towards them. There are large differences between genders in terms of career motivations, interests etc. Proven in many studies repeatedly.
- wizzwizz4 6y ago
  > There are large differences between genders in terms of career motivations, interests etc. I think this would be the case for the hypothetical “party if you're a man, standing outside in the rain if you're a woman” job, too. How do you know you're describing something about the people you're measuring, as opposed to the people around them?

La1n 6y ago

>Because women naturally list towards jobs that pay less, Couldn't one then also argue that jobs women list towards get paid less? E.g. instead of asking why women gravitate to those jobs that are paid less, ask why the jobs women gravitate towards are paid less.

missedthecue 6y ago
The fact that daycare workers (a job dominated 97% by females) earn $35k a year while carpenters, welders, and electricians (jobs dominated 98% by males) earn $80k is not a fact that I think is attributable to bigoted sexism.

BobbyJo 6y ago

I don't think those are what the parent was referring to as 'top tier'. Those pay well, but in both cases they are highly paid because of risk and life disruption (having to spend extended time away from home on rigs). It's my understanding that men are naturally less risk-averse, so the gender differences there seem natural to me. I'm betting they meant CEO positions, board positions, and high ranking corporate officers.

Dirlewanger 6y ago

Only on HN will facts like these get downvoted. Why is this community so allergic to discussing this topic in an unbiased manner?