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And yet, you are probably happy if some criminals are caught with the help of surveillance camera footage. In the past when there were shops in every neighbourh

And yet, you are probably happy if some criminals are caught with the help of surveillance camera footage. In the past when there were shops in every neighbourhood, the owners of these shops knew all their customers. They exactly knew who they could trust and who not. It has happened to me that when I went to an open air market, where you stil have to make an order, they people behind the stall after some time just remembered what I was coming for, while they must see thousands of customers each week.

saiya-jin 6y ago
That sounds all nice and small-town rosy, but I would pick anonymity any day. Road to totality and 1984-esque society only takes 1 step at a time to build, and this is definitely one of those steps. Although coming form smallish town, this familiarity with shop owners ain't something high on my list of priorities, in contrary. The strongest reason for it would probably be the old 'power corrupts', as we can see just about anybody with access to it, be it a person or organization in the past. No reason to be so naive to think some other place is special and avoids it. And knowing basically everything about any individual is a massive amount of power and very personal. Also rarely are these kinds of laws repelled, in contrary, the data are just too sweet and there is always the next terrorist threat to prevent.
- fjfaase 6y ago
  I wonder if my reply was down-voted because people did not agree with it or because they thought it was not relevant or besides the point? Probably, you are not among those, because you did take time to reply to it. You did not reply to my first and main statement. Probably because you agreed with it. In the past shops had other methods of preventing shoplifting. Some of these methods also involved keeping track of what people did. Not information stored in databases, but in the heads of people. What I just wanted to say is that we are happy if some kind of system is used to catch the bad people, but not us, because we think of ourselves as being good. Many shoplifters also think of themselves as good, because they beat the system or have the right to do it because society treated them unfair. Or maybe just because of the fun of doing it. I understand that a high percentage of people did some shoplifting at some point in their lives. And many would do more if there would be no chance of being caught. I simply wanted to point out that safety (as in preventing crimes) and privacy are in opposition with eachother and that each society has to find a way to balance them. It is also expected that your opinion on that balance is influenced on your position in that society.
EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 6y ago
What about people from out of town, were they allowed to buy at that shop?

saiya-jin 6y ago

That sounds all nice and small-town rosy, but I would pick anonymity any day. Road to totality and 1984-esque society only takes 1 step at a time to build, and this is definitely one of those steps. Although coming form smallish town, this familiarity with shop owners ain't something high on my list of priorities, in contrary. The strongest reason for it would probably be the old 'power corrupts', as we can see just about anybody with access to it, be it a person or organization in the past. No reason to be so naive to think some other place is special and avoids it. And knowing basically everything about any individual is a massive amount of power and very personal. Also rarely are these kinds of laws repelled, in contrary, the data are just too sweet and there is always the next terrorist threat to prevent.

fjfaase 6y ago
I wonder if my reply was down-voted because people did not agree with it or because they thought it was not relevant or besides the point? Probably, you are not among those, because you did take time to reply to it. You did not reply to my first and main statement. Probably because you agreed with it. In the past shops had other methods of preventing shoplifting. Some of these methods also involved keeping track of what people did. Not information stored in databases, but in the heads of people. What I just wanted to say is that we are happy if some kind of system is used to catch the bad people, but not us, because we think of ourselves as being good. Many shoplifters also think of themselves as good, because they beat the system or have the right to do it because society treated them unfair. Or maybe just because of the fun of doing it. I understand that a high percentage of people did some shoplifting at some point in their lives. And many would do more if there would be no chance of being caught. I simply wanted to point out that safety (as in preventing crimes) and privacy are in opposition with eachother and that each society has to find a way to balance them. It is also expected that your opinion on that balance is influenced on your position in that society.

EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 6y ago

What about people from out of town, were they allowed to buy at that shop?