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Can you expand on how the experience is targeted to make children judge each other? Has this been something your kid(s) experienced on the platform? Just curiou

Can you expand on how the experience is targeted to make children judge each other? Has this been something your kid(s) experienced on the platform? Just curious.

juskrey 6y ago
My daughter have asked me several times if I can spend at least something because other children somehow see she is not a paying user and segregate on that basis
- mmkos 6y ago
  Wow, if it's true then that's such a vile design, particularly for a game designed for children. However, I'm more inclined to believe that it's just something your daughter may have said to convince you to buy something.
  - juskrey 6y ago
    How would you expect children to spend money in game if not by convincing parents to buy something? Of course she received a series of 40 second lectures on how that works in life in general, and why I don't want to enclose her in virtual fraud simulation - she'll have much better ways to do that.
    - mmkos 6y ago
      I was unnecessarily vague. What I meant was that it could have been something your daughter made up, just so you'd buy her something.
      - juskrey 6y ago
        I understand what you have said here. If lies happen, that likely mean things are much much worse than they look. You don't teach children how to properly intake drugs, you teach them how to properly avoid toxic things in general.
        nvader 6y ago
        I appreciate this comment, and feel like I learned something about parenting from it.
        ManifestTendy 6y ago
        Ditto on liking this comment. The devil's advocate may be that, given the parallels to regular social challenges (and that 'digital' challenges may actually become more important in the future), Roblox offers a decently monitored, low-risk space to explore. The game itself doesn't and doesn't have to incentivize social buying pressure. I believe it's just the natural order of things that can be considered signs of status. Because you have complete control over the avatar unlike your body, perhaps the condition is worse. As VR or 'microverses' evolve it's something to observe. I suppose I was interested in having a powerful status symbol. I can't imagine why else I took so much time as a kid to learn the Roblox 'economy', how to trade, and then get scammed out of it in the end (the greatest lesson). I don't know if this what you meant by toxic or not, but it seems I've been drawn to that same experience with our fun little stonk market this past year.
  - watwut 6y ago
    More of, it depends who kids in her class etc are. If majority of parents in peer group don't buy, all is OK. If peer group is snoby or normalized paying, issues like this happen. It is very naive to think that kids don't bully other kids because of issues like this.
    - _carbyau_ 6y ago
      This is true. But what should the proper response be? Give in, throw some few dollars?
  - xen2xen1 6y ago
    No evil intent is needed. You think an 8 year old won't point out that they're "better" all on their own just because they have something another child hasn't?
    - _carbyau_ 6y ago
      Plenty of adults do this too. Doesn't make it right though. iPhone vs Android, Mac vs PC, Car vs Car, sportsballer vs sportsballer... so inane.
- depingus 6y ago
  This is a well known occurrence on Fortnite. If you were online wearing a "default" you were mocked by your friends and sometimes targeted for griefing. And not just online, because kids are using the game as a virtual hangout space, this bullying would play out IRL too. https://www.polygon.com/2019/5/7/18534431/fortnite-rare-default-skins-bullying-harassment https://www.polygon.com/2019/5/7/18534431/fortnite-rare-defa...
  - ambicapter 6y ago
    If I were into competitive Fortnite I would never leave the default skin and get extra gratification from stunting on "gamers" who don't know better than to pre-judge skills based on cosmetics...
    - depingus 6y ago
      There's people that do exactly this on youtube; Turn the table of the griefers.
- dudleyf 6y ago
  I play Roblox with my son and his friends a lot. Some kids use how much Robux you have as a status thing, but I've been surprised how little griefing and bullying I've seen. I do get called "bacon hair" because my avatar has the default skin (which has hair that looks like strips of bacon).
  - xen2xen1 6y ago
    Noobskin is a phrase used in a similar situation. If you didn't pay for your avatar people notice.
- alisonkisk 6y ago
  That's great. The game costs nothing and it filters out trash people from her experience.
lallysingh 6y ago
There's a fashion show game where kids judge each other's outfits.
- ethbr0 6y ago
  So... grade school?
- meheleventyone 6y ago
  Although that's actually fun and pretty harmless. Designing to a theme is a pretty common thing from Minecraft Build Battles through to Fashion Famous. The former tends to be worse because you get a lot of trolls building sexually explicit and racist stuff.
- notsureaboutpg 6y ago
  People are missing that you need to pay money for the outfits in Roblox. Real outfits are already an expense to keep kids from being judged in school. Why add digital ones?
- dagw 6y ago
  At least in the version of that game my daughter plays, most of the outfits can be earned in game and traded with other players. My daughter has never bought an outfit from Robux. The point of the game isn't to have the most expensive outfit but to design an outfit that best matches the given theme.

Can you expand on how the experience is targeted to make children judge each other? Has this been something your kid(s) experienced on the platform? Just curious.

juskrey 6y ago

My daughter have asked me several times if I can spend at least something because other children somehow see she is not a paying user and segregate on that basis

mmkos 6y ago
Wow, if it's true then that's such a vile design, particularly for a game designed for children. However, I'm more inclined to believe that it's just something your daughter may have said to convince you to buy something.
- juskrey 6y ago
  How would you expect children to spend money in game if not by convincing parents to buy something? Of course she received a series of 40 second lectures on how that works in life in general, and why I don't want to enclose her in virtual fraud simulation - she'll have much better ways to do that.
  - mmkos 6y ago
    I was unnecessarily vague. What I meant was that it could have been something your daughter made up, just so you'd buy her something.
    - juskrey 6y ago
      I understand what you have said here. If lies happen, that likely mean things are much much worse than they look. You don't teach children how to properly intake drugs, you teach them how to properly avoid toxic things in general.
      - nvader 6y ago
        I appreciate this comment, and feel like I learned something about parenting from it.
      - ManifestTendy 6y ago
        Ditto on liking this comment. The devil's advocate may be that, given the parallels to regular social challenges (and that 'digital' challenges may actually become more important in the future), Roblox offers a decently monitored, low-risk space to explore. The game itself doesn't and doesn't have to incentivize social buying pressure. I believe it's just the natural order of things that can be considered signs of status. Because you have complete control over the avatar unlike your body, perhaps the condition is worse. As VR or 'microverses' evolve it's something to observe. I suppose I was interested in having a powerful status symbol. I can't imagine why else I took so much time as a kid to learn the Roblox 'economy', how to trade, and then get scammed out of it in the end (the greatest lesson). I don't know if this what you meant by toxic or not, but it seems I've been drawn to that same experience with our fun little stonk market this past year.
- watwut 6y ago
  More of, it depends who kids in her class etc are. If majority of parents in peer group don't buy, all is OK. If peer group is snoby or normalized paying, issues like this happen. It is very naive to think that kids don't bully other kids because of issues like this.
  - _carbyau_ 6y ago
    This is true. But what should the proper response be? Give in, throw some few dollars?
- xen2xen1 6y ago
  No evil intent is needed. You think an 8 year old won't point out that they're "better" all on their own just because they have something another child hasn't?
  - _carbyau_ 6y ago
    Plenty of adults do this too. Doesn't make it right though. iPhone vs Android, Mac vs PC, Car vs Car, sportsballer vs sportsballer... so inane.
depingus 6y ago
This is a well known occurrence on Fortnite. If you were online wearing a "default" you were mocked by your friends and sometimes targeted for griefing. And not just online, because kids are using the game as a virtual hangout space, this bullying would play out IRL too. https://www.polygon.com/2019/5/7/18534431/fortnite-rare-default-skins-bullying-harassment https://www.polygon.com/2019/5/7/18534431/fortnite-rare-defa...
- ambicapter 6y ago
  If I were into competitive Fortnite I would never leave the default skin and get extra gratification from stunting on "gamers" who don't know better than to pre-judge skills based on cosmetics...
  - depingus 6y ago
    There's people that do exactly this on youtube; Turn the table of the griefers.
dudleyf 6y ago
I play Roblox with my son and his friends a lot. Some kids use how much Robux you have as a status thing, but I've been surprised how little griefing and bullying I've seen. I do get called "bacon hair" because my avatar has the default skin (which has hair that looks like strips of bacon).
- xen2xen1 6y ago
  Noobskin is a phrase used in a similar situation. If you didn't pay for your avatar people notice.
alisonkisk 6y ago
That's great. The game costs nothing and it filters out trash people from her experience.

lallysingh 6y ago

There's a fashion show game where kids judge each other's outfits.

ethbr0 6y ago
So... grade school?
meheleventyone 6y ago
Although that's actually fun and pretty harmless. Designing to a theme is a pretty common thing from Minecraft Build Battles through to Fashion Famous. The former tends to be worse because you get a lot of trolls building sexually explicit and racist stuff.
notsureaboutpg 6y ago
People are missing that you need to pay money for the outfits in Roblox. Real outfits are already an expense to keep kids from being judged in school. Why add digital ones?
dagw 6y ago
At least in the version of that game my daughter plays, most of the outfits can be earned in game and traded with other players. My daughter has never bought an outfit from Robux. The point of the game isn't to have the most expensive outfit but to design an outfit that best matches the given theme.