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Everybody I know that uses twitch hates it. Like seriously, it's really bad. The conversations streamers have on discord are very different from what they'll

Everybody I know that uses twitch hates it. Like seriously, it's really bad. The conversations streamers have on discord are very different from what they'll say while streaming. They use it because there is no alternative. I am well aware that others have tried to compete and failed. But there is a market and nobody likes the only player. Eventually somebody is going to figure it out. And I am extremely confident it won't be Amazon. I'd short twitch in a heartbeat if it weren't propped up by the most valuable company on Earth.

candybar 6y ago
What in particular do they hate about twitch and what type of streamers are they? (top, emerging, casual, etc). I too hear a lot of complaints about Twitch too but I feel that most of them have nothing to do with the product, but the zero-sum and competitive nature of gaming streaming. It's just difficult to succeed as a gaming streamer (or content creator more generally) and the vast majority of people who try will never make any meaningful amounts of money, so frustrations tend to be attributed to the arbitrary quirks of the platform, even though that's just the nature of any content business.
- Judgmentality 6y ago
  > What in particular do they hate about twitch and what type of streamers are they? (top, emerging, casual, etc). Everything and everyone. Seriously, even the people making literally millions on twitch hate the DMCA takedowns, the completely capricious bans, the ridiculous barrage of forced ads which twitch has straight up lied about, the fact that Amazon streamed anti-union ads on twitch and then pretended it was an accident, the fact that titty streamers get special priveleges...and that's what I thought of in just 30 seconds off the top of my head. twitch is fucking awful because it's owned by Amazon. It was great before the acquisition and shortly thereafter. I never said it was easy. I'm saying twitch fucking sucks and when somebody makes something that doesn't suck it will instantly be an 11 digit market cap company. Right now the most likely contender is Gamestop, even if I'd only put that at about a 1% chance of happening.
  - candybar 6y ago
    I don't see how any of these are deal-breakers for the viewers and if the viewers are there, the streamers aren't going anywhere. The network effect is real - it doesn't matter how good your streaming platform is if no one is using it.
    - Judgmentality 6y ago
      People are leaving twitch because it's so bad. Unfortunately I can't share that data with you, so I don't expect you to believe me. Anyway, let's agree to disagree because we're not finding common ground here.
      - candybar 6y ago
        Where are they going?
        Judgmentality 6y ago
        Netflix? Books? Youtube? They're giving up on streaming because they hate twitch that much.
        candybar 6y ago
        You're talking about the streamers? As I mentioned, streaming is a tough business, it's going to have a lot of churn. In terms of viewership, there's publicly available data and it's not going down: https://dotesports.com/streaming/news/over-27-9-billion-hours-watched-across-twitch-youtube-gaming-and-facebook-gaming-in-2020-according-to-report https://dotesports.com/streaming/news/over-27-9-billion-hour...
        Judgmentality 6y ago
        Yes, I am aware of the publicly available data. I'm saying that's wrong, but again I can't share my data so I don't expect you to believe me. We're not going to agree. I'm exiting this thread.
jasonwatkinspdx 6y ago
This is a very poor assessment. I'd suggest watching some Devin Nash videos. Whoever you're talking to on discord is not giving you a complete picture. Twitch is essentially a hardcore user's platform. Engagement is extremely high vs other platforms. That's what keeps content creators on twitch, even if they're making the bulk of their income from putting the VODs on youtube: they can't create the same content and interactions on other platforms. Again, as explained in a sibling comment, competing against twitch is a terrible opportunity. It's a miserable business to try to make a profit margin on, and your #1 competition doesn't care if twitch loses money all day. The ad market for streamers is all wonky because so much of the content is radioactively toxic.

candybar 6y ago

What in particular do they hate about twitch and what type of streamers are they? (top, emerging, casual, etc). I too hear a lot of complaints about Twitch too but I feel that most of them have nothing to do with the product, but the zero-sum and competitive nature of gaming streaming. It's just difficult to succeed as a gaming streamer (or content creator more generally) and the vast majority of people who try will never make any meaningful amounts of money, so frustrations tend to be attributed to the arbitrary quirks of the platform, even though that's just the nature of any content business.

Judgmentality 6y ago
> What in particular do they hate about twitch and what type of streamers are they? (top, emerging, casual, etc). Everything and everyone. Seriously, even the people making literally millions on twitch hate the DMCA takedowns, the completely capricious bans, the ridiculous barrage of forced ads which twitch has straight up lied about, the fact that Amazon streamed anti-union ads on twitch and then pretended it was an accident, the fact that titty streamers get special priveleges...and that's what I thought of in just 30 seconds off the top of my head. twitch is fucking awful because it's owned by Amazon. It was great before the acquisition and shortly thereafter. I never said it was easy. I'm saying twitch fucking sucks and when somebody makes something that doesn't suck it will instantly be an 11 digit market cap company. Right now the most likely contender is Gamestop, even if I'd only put that at about a 1% chance of happening.
- candybar 6y ago
  I don't see how any of these are deal-breakers for the viewers and if the viewers are there, the streamers aren't going anywhere. The network effect is real - it doesn't matter how good your streaming platform is if no one is using it.
  - Judgmentality 6y ago
    People are leaving twitch because it's so bad. Unfortunately I can't share that data with you, so I don't expect you to believe me. Anyway, let's agree to disagree because we're not finding common ground here.
    - candybar 6y ago
      Where are they going?
      - Judgmentality 6y ago
        Netflix? Books? Youtube? They're giving up on streaming because they hate twitch that much.
        candybar 6y ago
        You're talking about the streamers? As I mentioned, streaming is a tough business, it's going to have a lot of churn. In terms of viewership, there's publicly available data and it's not going down: https://dotesports.com/streaming/news/over-27-9-billion-hours-watched-across-twitch-youtube-gaming-and-facebook-gaming-in-2020-according-to-report https://dotesports.com/streaming/news/over-27-9-billion-hour...
        Judgmentality 6y ago
        Yes, I am aware of the publicly available data. I'm saying that's wrong, but again I can't share my data so I don't expect you to believe me. We're not going to agree. I'm exiting this thread.

jasonwatkinspdx 6y ago

This is a very poor assessment. I'd suggest watching some Devin Nash videos. Whoever you're talking to on discord is not giving you a complete picture. Twitch is essentially a hardcore user's platform. Engagement is extremely high vs other platforms. That's what keeps content creators on twitch, even if they're making the bulk of their income from putting the VODs on youtube: they can't create the same content and interactions on other platforms. Again, as explained in a sibling comment, competing against twitch is a terrible opportunity. It's a miserable business to try to make a profit margin on, and your #1 competition doesn't care if twitch loses money all day. The ad market for streamers is all wonky because so much of the content is radioactively toxic.