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Well I knew this, but it shouldn’t surprise most of the people here either. How many factories, data centers, companies, and products have you seen that are ISO

Well I knew this, but it shouldn’t surprise most of the people here either. How many factories, data centers, companies, and products have you seen that are ISO-something certified? It’s an entire industry, of course part of that process is paying to get the specification that you’re already paying for someone to verify you’re abiding by. The last time I went through an audit the consulting firm that was auditing us only very begrudgingly gave us the requirements for a couple of sections because we kept insisting that we were providing proof that we met them and they kept disagreeing. I still think it was just to shut us up... As they mention in the tweet, you can possibly get them from the standards body in your country. For my current country (Estonia) they don’t seem to give it out freely, but you can buy the version they approved as the country’s standard for like €20, compared with the €200 for the official ISO version. So there are options...

rjsw 6y ago
Only a subset of standards have a certification industry around them. In your dispute with the consulting firm you were expected to buy your own copy of the standard, they don't have the rights to give you one.
- chrismeller 6y ago
  Agreed on both points. I’m not saying every industry has a cert industry, just like not every industry has a regulating body; just that these are predominant enough in IT and related fields that it shouldn’t be surprising to a lot of people here to realize there are a lot of them. And of course I get that we were supposed to buy our own copy. We actually had our own copy (when paying $20k for an audit the couple $100 for the spec is insignificant), it was just an anecdote I found funny. They refused to provide anything about the spec so hard, even though we kept insisting we did meet it... they wouldn’t even tell us which part specifically we didn’t meet because they didn’t want to provide any of the spec to us. I think it took the CTO and I sending heavily highlighted copies of the requirements from the spec to them for them to realize that we had it, it was ok to show us specifically what they didn’t think we met.
thewakalix 6y ago
Why should the cost of certifications fall on people who just want to see the standards?
JdeBP 6y ago
The price list and the fact that (apparently) it will ship internationally does make EVS quite interesting. * https://evs.ee/en/faq-2 https://evs.ee/en/faq-2 * https://evs.ee/en/discounts-when-buying-an-estonian-standard https://evs.ee/en/discounts-when-buying-an-estonian-standard * https://evs.ee/en/search?query=8601&languages=41&organisations=1&organisations=2&statuses=2&page=1&filtertype=filter&committeeoption=1&onlysuggestedproducts=false&onlyNewEstonianLanguageProduct=false https://evs.ee/en/search?query=8601&languages=41&organisatio...
- n3uromancer 6y ago
  And there's also a 24 hour full pay-per-view option available for 2.4 EUR.

rjsw 6y ago

Only a subset of standards have a certification industry around them. In your dispute with the consulting firm you were expected to buy your own copy of the standard, they don't have the rights to give you one.

chrismeller 6y ago
Agreed on both points. I’m not saying every industry has a cert industry, just like not every industry has a regulating body; just that these are predominant enough in IT and related fields that it shouldn’t be surprising to a lot of people here to realize there are a lot of them. And of course I get that we were supposed to buy our own copy. We actually had our own copy (when paying $20k for an audit the couple $100 for the spec is insignificant), it was just an anecdote I found funny. They refused to provide anything about the spec so hard, even though we kept insisting we did meet it... they wouldn’t even tell us which part specifically we didn’t meet because they didn’t want to provide any of the spec to us. I think it took the CTO and I sending heavily highlighted copies of the requirements from the spec to them for them to realize that we had it, it was ok to show us specifically what they didn’t think we met.

thewakalix 6y ago

Why should the cost of certifications fall on people who just want to see the standards?

JdeBP 6y ago

The price list and the fact that (apparently) it will ship internationally does make EVS quite interesting. * https://evs.ee/en/faq-2 https://evs.ee/en/faq-2 * https://evs.ee/en/discounts-when-buying-an-estonian-standard https://evs.ee/en/discounts-when-buying-an-estonian-standard * https://evs.ee/en/search?query=8601&languages=41&organisations=1&organisations=2&statuses=2&page=1&filtertype=filter&committeeoption=1&onlysuggestedproducts=false&onlyNewEstonianLanguageProduct=false https://evs.ee/en/search?query=8601&languages=41&organisatio...

n3uromancer 6y ago
And there's also a 24 hour full pay-per-view option available for 2.4 EUR.