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> It felt like they thought their workers were stupid In my opinion, they have spies, moles, agents amongst the workers. I wouldn't be surprised if some of tho

> It felt like they thought their workers were stupid In my opinion, they have spies, moles, agents amongst the workers. I wouldn't be surprised if some of those agents are in important positions, and they could be then now requested to do something stupid. If they don't have these agents, they could also just approach someone now. They could offer them something to do something outrageous or negative for the movement. Then, they also control various media outlets where they talk about it in every news segment. I'm pretty sure there is some serious intelligence operations in the background,why would they leave this to chance?

ivraatiems 6y ago
> In my opinion, they have spies, moles, agents amongst the workers. I wouldn't be surprised if some of those agents are in important positions, and they could be then now requested to do something stupid. Oh, I agree. I'm sure you are right. I'm just surprised that with all that intelligence, the path they chose to take was so blunt. Either they're missing something, or I am - only time will tell, I guess.
pm90 6y ago
The risk of doing this is that if it gets discovered (a big if) then there can be even more backlash. It may also be fodder for actual lawsuits. They may still decide to do it. But there are potential costs.
- serial_dev 6y ago
  I think they were already discovered https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-pinkerton-agency-spies-union-strike-spain-ccoo-legal-action-2020-12 https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-pinkerton-agency-spie...
throwawaysea 6y ago
How common is this really? Does it happen to political parties, for example? I feel like there might be some law being broken when it comes to this sort of espionage but I am not sure.
batmaniam 6y ago
> I'm pretty sure there is some serious intelligence operations in the background, why would they leave this to chance? Yeah, they're not gonna leave it to chance. It's pretty wonderous to watch, really. They're gonna pull every card they have. Take these, for instance: Amazon got in touch with the city and changed the traffic light patterns to make traffic worse for union voters: https://www.theverge.com/2021/2/17/22287191/amazon-alabama-warehouse-union-traffic-light-change-bessemer https://www.theverge.com/2021/2/17/22287191/amazon-alabama-w... And even installed an official postal box on their site so they can monitor who is voting for later scrutiny/intimidation: https://www.al.com/business/2021/02/mailbox-stirs-controversy-in-amazon-union-vote.html https://www.al.com/business/2021/02/mailbox-stirs-controvers... Oh, and Amazon sponsored their busy employee's working time to make them attend mandatory sessions on why unions are bad: https://www.al.com/news/2021/02/alabama-amazon-employees-pushing-for-union-were-doing-this-for-you-all.html https://www.al.com/news/2021/02/alabama-amazon-employees-pus...
- nitrogen 6y ago
  > > Amazon got in touch with the city and changed the traffic light patterns to make traffic worse for union voters: > On December 15th, the county increased the green light duration in an effort to clear workers off the worksite faster. There’s no indication that the county was aware of the ongoing organizing drive or any effect the traffic light changes might have on the effort. Improving traffic flow is somehow now an anti-union activity?

ivraatiems 6y ago

> In my opinion, they have spies, moles, agents amongst the workers. I wouldn't be surprised if some of those agents are in important positions, and they could be then now requested to do something stupid. Oh, I agree. I'm sure you are right. I'm just surprised that with all that intelligence, the path they chose to take was so blunt. Either they're missing something, or I am - only time will tell, I guess.

pm90 6y ago

The risk of doing this is that if it gets discovered (a big if) then there can be even more backlash. It may also be fodder for actual lawsuits. They may still decide to do it. But there are potential costs.

serial_dev 6y ago
I think they were already discovered https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-pinkerton-agency-spies-union-strike-spain-ccoo-legal-action-2020-12 https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-pinkerton-agency-spie...

throwawaysea 6y ago

How common is this really? Does it happen to political parties, for example? I feel like there might be some law being broken when it comes to this sort of espionage but I am not sure.

batmaniam 6y ago

> I'm pretty sure there is some serious intelligence operations in the background, why would they leave this to chance? Yeah, they're not gonna leave it to chance. It's pretty wonderous to watch, really. They're gonna pull every card they have. Take these, for instance: Amazon got in touch with the city and changed the traffic light patterns to make traffic worse for union voters: https://www.theverge.com/2021/2/17/22287191/amazon-alabama-warehouse-union-traffic-light-change-bessemer https://www.theverge.com/2021/2/17/22287191/amazon-alabama-w... And even installed an official postal box on their site so they can monitor who is voting for later scrutiny/intimidation: https://www.al.com/business/2021/02/mailbox-stirs-controversy-in-amazon-union-vote.html https://www.al.com/business/2021/02/mailbox-stirs-controvers... Oh, and Amazon sponsored their busy employee's working time to make them attend mandatory sessions on why unions are bad: https://www.al.com/news/2021/02/alabama-amazon-employees-pushing-for-union-were-doing-this-for-you-all.html https://www.al.com/news/2021/02/alabama-amazon-employees-pus...

nitrogen 6y ago
> > Amazon got in touch with the city and changed the traffic light patterns to make traffic worse for union voters: > On December 15th, the county increased the green light duration in an effort to clear workers off the worksite faster. There’s no indication that the county was aware of the ongoing organizing drive or any effect the traffic light changes might have on the effort. Improving traffic flow is somehow now an anti-union activity?