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Am I the only one who finds this article extremely odd and suspicious? I'd never heard of this concept of "kóryos" before, and even though the article is exten

Am I the only one who finds this article extremely odd and suspicious? I'd never heard of this concept of "kóryos" before, and even though the article is extensively referenced, there are somehow no references in the first paragraph introducing the subject matter nor a section regarding when this supposed idea was introduced into historical research or how it developed. Then, what makes this article much more suspicious in my view, is that it was essentially written fully from scratch in one revision by a single user less than a year ago [0]. And following this, a huge red flag is that a significant number of the very few internal links [1] to this page were only added by the very user that first wrote this page [2-5]. I'm sorry, I really hope that (best case scenario) this is a legitimate concept, and the page was created by someone who happens to be doing a PhD on the subject—though in that case it reeks of violating the "no original research rule" of Wikipedia. In the worst case scenario, this is either a personal fantasy of the author or something being spread with some ulterior motive. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=K%C3%B3ryos&oldid=959408000 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=K%C3%B3ryos&oldid... [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Kóryos https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinks... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fianna&type=revision&diff=959454392&oldid=942302155 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fianna&type=revis... [3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maruts&type=revision&diff=959454419&oldid=956803022 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maruts&type=revis... [4]: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Crypteia&type=revision&diff=959454353&oldid=955681536 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Crypteia&type=rev... [5]: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ephebos&type=revision&diff=959454288&oldid=934410887 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ephebos&type=revi...

dvh 6y ago
Article say proto indo european but I don't hear any similar slavic stem. We did until recently have "vojna" (2 year mandatory military service) but that's quite far from "koryos".
- jfengel 6y ago
  Looking through their list of existing word descendants, the only one I recognize is Greek κοίρανος "koiranos". It also cites Old English "here" which I recognize from Beowulf in the kenning heregrima "war-mask". There are some others in languages I don't know at all (Persian, Lithuanian). The derivation seems authentic but it seems to have left only very scattered traces.
Mediterraneo10 6y ago
I work in a related area of historical-comparative linguistics and I am familiar with much of the literature cited in this Wikipedia article. I would say that that at the Proto-Indo-European level, this article represents pretty mainstream views that have been common in the literature for decades. Where some could quibble with the article is its mention of a lot of much later phenomena in various societies that don’t necessarily go back to the early Indo-European tradition.
- Mordisquitos 6y ago
  Thanks, that's good to know. It may well be that even though this happens to be that user's pet project it is nevertheless thoroughly referenced and legitimately encyclopedic. I do hope that is the case.
hrafn 6y ago
Page 93 of this [0] source (cited in the article) appears to verify the topic of the article. Certain Wikipedia authors finalize their articles in their sandbox and then copy it over, which was done in this case [1] with the sandbox including 180 edits and work over several weeks. As introductory paragraphs are a summary of the article, they don't have to contain any citations [2], certain editors who only write long-form Wikipedia articles are fond of that style. Entering "Koryos" in Google Scholar brings up more sources, no sources show up when using the diacritic. [0] https://sci-hub.do/10.1163/157407706778942312 https://sci-hub.do/10.1163/157407706778942312 [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Alcaios/Koryos&action=history https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Alcaios/Kory... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOS:LEADCITE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOS:LEADCITE

dvh 6y ago

Article say proto indo european but I don't hear any similar slavic stem. We did until recently have "vojna" (2 year mandatory military service) but that's quite far from "koryos".

jfengel 6y ago
Looking through their list of existing word descendants, the only one I recognize is Greek κοίρανος "koiranos". It also cites Old English "here" which I recognize from Beowulf in the kenning heregrima "war-mask". There are some others in languages I don't know at all (Persian, Lithuanian). The derivation seems authentic but it seems to have left only very scattered traces.

Mediterraneo10 6y ago

I work in a related area of historical-comparative linguistics and I am familiar with much of the literature cited in this Wikipedia article. I would say that that at the Proto-Indo-European level, this article represents pretty mainstream views that have been common in the literature for decades. Where some could quibble with the article is its mention of a lot of much later phenomena in various societies that don’t necessarily go back to the early Indo-European tradition.

Mordisquitos 6y ago
Thanks, that's good to know. It may well be that even though this happens to be that user's pet project it is nevertheless thoroughly referenced and legitimately encyclopedic. I do hope that is the case.

hrafn 6y ago

Page 93 of this [0] source (cited in the article) appears to verify the topic of the article. Certain Wikipedia authors finalize their articles in their sandbox and then copy it over, which was done in this case [1] with the sandbox including 180 edits and work over several weeks. As introductory paragraphs are a summary of the article, they don't have to contain any citations [2], certain editors who only write long-form Wikipedia articles are fond of that style. Entering "Koryos" in Google Scholar brings up more sources, no sources show up when using the diacritic. [0] https://sci-hub.do/10.1163/157407706778942312 https://sci-hub.do/10.1163/157407706778942312 [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Alcaios/Koryos&action=history https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Alcaios/Kory... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOS:LEADCITE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOS:LEADCITE