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Most countries reversed the decade of progress in favor of CCP dystopian bullshit. I could not visit my friends and extended family abroad because "IT IS NOT E

Most countries reversed the decade of progress in favor of CCP dystopian bullshit. I could not visit my friends and extended family abroad because "IT IS NOT ESSENTIAL TRAVEL".

dgellow 6y ago
Sure but… we are in a global pandemics. My place is locked down since October now, my family in a different country I cannot visit and that has a massive impact on my mental abilities. But, like, … there is a GLOBAL pandemics that we do not have under control! It’s not about government controlling the people, it’s about avoiding even more catastrophic situations.
- EdwinLarkin 6y ago
  That's not an excuse for implementing draconian CCP measures in democratic societies. Freedom of movement is a human right.I repeat.Freedom of movement is a human right. Free countries should take every possible ways first before they stomp our human rights.The law of proportionality should apply here. This is basically an implementation of the CCP's social score system.I absolutely assure you that privileged people fly these days.Regularly. And I am not taking about billionaires or millionaires here but about people that are able to convince the government that they are important businessmen. And this is not talking about politicians that can fly whenever they want avoiding quarantines and what not. Rules for thee but not for me.
Barrin92 6y ago
I think the irony might be lost here that life in China had returned largely to normal since summer 2020 because of 'CCP dystopian bullshit' which managed to effectively curtail the spread of the virus, in contrast to the paragons of freedom in the West, where everyone has been in periodic lockdowns for over a year. Almost ever major crisis that has plagued Western democracies over the last two decades can largely be traced back to weakness, not strength of states, yet people seem to be constantly afraid of 'totalitarianism' rather than dysfunction.
- EdwinLarkin 6y ago
  Oh yeah the irony of actually believing in human rights. I guess you use the same twisted CCP logic when it comes to building infrastructure. Lets just totally ignore human rights because we can build trains and roads much faster than those fools in the West. If you believe that you can herd people like cattle, weld them in their homes, spy on their every step then you dont deserve to live in the West.
  - Barrin92 6y ago
    it's not twisted logic, it's about having a grounded definition of freedom. Freedom is going over the street at night and being safe, or being able to open your shop and not getting sick, or having clean water coming out of the tap. Governments derive their legitimacy from their ability to function and deliver for their constituents, if you think lofty notions of human rights are a replacement for safety and prosperity, if you're actually creating a narrative where you imply the Western model is free but broke, rather than free and improves material conditions, you may not like how quickly people reject said values.
    - EdwinLarkin 6y ago
      >of human rights are a replacement for safety and prosperity, CCP logic right here.We cant suppress your human rights because of development and lifting people from poverty. Oh yeah same thing that Park Chung Hee said and what lead to Gwangju Uprising. The whole point of human rights is to not compromise on them.

Most countries reversed the decade of progress in favor of CCP dystopian bullshit. I could not visit my friends and extended family abroad because "IT IS NOT ESSENTIAL TRAVEL".

dgellow 6y ago

Sure but… we are in a global pandemics. My place is locked down since October now, my family in a different country I cannot visit and that has a massive impact on my mental abilities. But, like, … there is a GLOBAL pandemics that we do not have under control! It’s not about government controlling the people, it’s about avoiding even more catastrophic situations.

EdwinLarkin 6y ago
That's not an excuse for implementing draconian CCP measures in democratic societies. Freedom of movement is a human right.I repeat.Freedom of movement is a human right. Free countries should take every possible ways first before they stomp our human rights.The law of proportionality should apply here. This is basically an implementation of the CCP's social score system.I absolutely assure you that privileged people fly these days.Regularly. And I am not taking about billionaires or millionaires here but about people that are able to convince the government that they are important businessmen. And this is not talking about politicians that can fly whenever they want avoiding quarantines and what not. Rules for thee but not for me.

Barrin92 6y ago

I think the irony might be lost here that life in China had returned largely to normal since summer 2020 because of 'CCP dystopian bullshit' which managed to effectively curtail the spread of the virus, in contrast to the paragons of freedom in the West, where everyone has been in periodic lockdowns for over a year. Almost ever major crisis that has plagued Western democracies over the last two decades can largely be traced back to weakness, not strength of states, yet people seem to be constantly afraid of 'totalitarianism' rather than dysfunction.

EdwinLarkin 6y ago
Oh yeah the irony of actually believing in human rights. I guess you use the same twisted CCP logic when it comes to building infrastructure. Lets just totally ignore human rights because we can build trains and roads much faster than those fools in the West. If you believe that you can herd people like cattle, weld them in their homes, spy on their every step then you dont deserve to live in the West.
- Barrin92 6y ago
  it's not twisted logic, it's about having a grounded definition of freedom. Freedom is going over the street at night and being safe, or being able to open your shop and not getting sick, or having clean water coming out of the tap. Governments derive their legitimacy from their ability to function and deliver for their constituents, if you think lofty notions of human rights are a replacement for safety and prosperity, if you're actually creating a narrative where you imply the Western model is free but broke, rather than free and improves material conditions, you may not like how quickly people reject said values.
  - EdwinLarkin 6y ago
    >of human rights are a replacement for safety and prosperity, CCP logic right here.We cant suppress your human rights because of development and lifting people from poverty. Oh yeah same thing that Park Chung Hee said and what lead to Gwangju Uprising. The whole point of human rights is to not compromise on them.