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Actually, having 10% common functionality easily available for unsophisticated users, and the rest hidden but fast to access, is good UI. Sure, discoverability

Actually, having 10% common functionality easily available for unsophisticated users, and the rest hidden but fast to access, is good UI. Sure, discoverability is good to have, but it is not a failure that you need to be told about it as long as it only contains features useful to power users. Requiring experts to undergo some training to make the most out of their devices is acceptable UI if the final interactions are optimized for their use; double so if it doesn't interfere with usage by untrained users.

matsemann 6y ago
Yes, but I just feel that I have to help my parents with the most menial of tasks, but even then I sometimes cannot figure it out without googling. I wonder if it's kinda a stockholm syndrome or if it caters to one's ego somehow. After discovering a feature, one feels smarter / more connected to the device, compared to if it was actually easier to use from the get go.
- datavirtue 6y ago
  Yeah. You are supposed to say "dumb, little ole me, look how smart this this thing is, hiding all this cool stuff...isn't that neat!" It fits well with the kind people our society churns out. Victims that blame themselves.
- kolinko 6y ago
  Examples of such tasks? I gave my 65yo mom an Iphone a few years back and there were literally zero issues after the quick intro on how to launch apps etc
  - krustymeathead 6y ago
    I wish my 71yo dad was as proficient as your mom. He doesn't remember anything he doesn't do regularly. For example, he texts frequently but doesn't know how to check his email. Because I am the tech support child, he reaches out to me for iPhone help. However, since I am not an iPhone user, I always struggle and sometimes fail to solve his problem. Perhaps this is a sign I have not dedicated enough time to learning this new OS in my family ecosystem, but I do feel it is the least-similar to the other OS's I have used. It's like if my dad was learning programming and asked if I'd help him with his Lisp program. No thanks. Though maybe I am just a luddite and the universe is written in iOS.
    - brokenmachine 6y ago
      I've used computers all my life and I find iphones really difficult to use. Not just unfamiliar, difficult.

matsemann 6y ago

Yes, but I just feel that I have to help my parents with the most menial of tasks, but even then I sometimes cannot figure it out without googling. I wonder if it's kinda a stockholm syndrome or if it caters to one's ego somehow. After discovering a feature, one feels smarter / more connected to the device, compared to if it was actually easier to use from the get go.

datavirtue 6y ago
Yeah. You are supposed to say "dumb, little ole me, look how smart this this thing is, hiding all this cool stuff...isn't that neat!" It fits well with the kind people our society churns out. Victims that blame themselves.
kolinko 6y ago
Examples of such tasks? I gave my 65yo mom an Iphone a few years back and there were literally zero issues after the quick intro on how to launch apps etc
- krustymeathead 6y ago
  I wish my 71yo dad was as proficient as your mom. He doesn't remember anything he doesn't do regularly. For example, he texts frequently but doesn't know how to check his email. Because I am the tech support child, he reaches out to me for iPhone help. However, since I am not an iPhone user, I always struggle and sometimes fail to solve his problem. Perhaps this is a sign I have not dedicated enough time to learning this new OS in my family ecosystem, but I do feel it is the least-similar to the other OS's I have used. It's like if my dad was learning programming and asked if I'd help him with his Lisp program. No thanks. Though maybe I am just a luddite and the universe is written in iOS.
  - brokenmachine 6y ago
    I've used computers all my life and I find iphones really difficult to use. Not just unfamiliar, difficult.