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Maybe Japan is healthier despite eating more refined carbs because they eat less, or they eat seafood, or something in the air, or genetics, or they move more,

Maybe Japan is healthier despite eating more refined carbs because they eat less, or they eat seafood, or something in the air, or genetics, or they move more, or any one of a million other possible factors. Pointing to the fact that they eat rice does NOT prove anything. We've been eating bread for millenia but we also moved a lot more until recently. Also, lifespans and health were worse than they are now. Also, how much does the bread we get at a supermarket today resemble the bread people ate 500 years ago? Its easy to explain ANY side you like because there are millions of factors. That's exactly why diet research is conducted by doing statistics to isolate the impact of particular variables even as 100s of things vary across any group of people. I think people like to argue against dietary research because it tells them things they don't want to hear. Admittedly, i didn't believe in any of this or like hearing it until recently because its made to sound so difficult - cut out sugar/refined carbs/carbs completely! Personally i was able to move to a healthier diet after just going through a simple book on sports nutrition. It drills in a few key points that tend to get lost in clickbait. For example, what you eat over a period of time (i.e a DIET) can be unhealthy or healthy, but pointing to any ONE meal/food as healthy/unheathy doesn't make a lot of sense

hedberg10 6y ago
Japanese people take in 1000 kcal less than their American peers.[1] Daily! That is, pardon the pun, huge. It would be nice to get some more recent data and to adjust for height. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_food_energy_intake https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_food_ener...
blaser-waffle 6y ago
> Also, how much does the bread we get at a supermarket today resemble the bread people ate 500 years ago? I grind my own grain at home and make my own bread. 100% difference from what's available in stores vs. at home. You'll never find any of the artisan-style almost-burn loaves that you see on pinterst using 100% whole grain. Will never poof up like that, you'll get something closer to German-style brown breads. They pull the wheat germ -- essentially the plant embryo, but also a source of nutrients that can go bad -- out of the flour to extend shelf life. Ditto for taking out all of the bran -- fiber! -- though "whole wheat" flours will add some of that back in later. But for the most part modern breads are nothing but refined carbs with a touch of fiber. The germ is sold separately, as a health food or feedstock for animals. The difference in taste and shape is noticeable. It's also much, much more filling and satisfying. Not as great for avocado toast, but does pretty well with a little cream cheese and tomato (plus a pinch of salt).
- zaptheimpaler 6y ago
  Interesting stuff! I might try it sometime.
- alinhan 6y ago
  What grinder and grains do you usually use?

hedberg10 6y ago

Japanese people take in 1000 kcal less than their American peers.[1] Daily! That is, pardon the pun, huge. It would be nice to get some more recent data and to adjust for height. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_food_energy_intake https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_food_ener...

blaser-waffle 6y ago

> Also, how much does the bread we get at a supermarket today resemble the bread people ate 500 years ago? I grind my own grain at home and make my own bread. 100% difference from what's available in stores vs. at home. You'll never find any of the artisan-style almost-burn loaves that you see on pinterst using 100% whole grain. Will never poof up like that, you'll get something closer to German-style brown breads. They pull the wheat germ -- essentially the plant embryo, but also a source of nutrients that can go bad -- out of the flour to extend shelf life. Ditto for taking out all of the bran -- fiber! -- though "whole wheat" flours will add some of that back in later. But for the most part modern breads are nothing but refined carbs with a touch of fiber. The germ is sold separately, as a health food or feedstock for animals. The difference in taste and shape is noticeable. It's also much, much more filling and satisfying. Not as great for avocado toast, but does pretty well with a little cream cheese and tomato (plus a pinch of salt).

zaptheimpaler 6y ago
Interesting stuff! I might try it sometime.
alinhan 6y ago
What grinder and grains do you usually use?