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I'm a random person on the internet and we're unlikely to cross paths, but I would _strongly_ recommend hiring a good HR advisor and people who can explain the

I'm a random person on the internet and we're unlikely to cross paths, but I would _strongly_ recommend hiring a good HR advisor and people who can explain the problems in your comment. Admitting your mindset isn't productive is hard, but I'd recommend some introspection here. > Yes, I'm a white male, but I'm considering hiring people for the first time and this sort of thing TERRIFIES me because I genuinely want to help out whoever I can You're not "helping out" by hiring a women, or a person of color. This mindset has set you up for failure before even starting. > What would I do if my nonwhite, nonmale (or both) hire just isn't working out (for valid reasons) but I can't yet afford to fight a discrimination lawsuit? If there's a valid reason, then there won't be a discriminiation lawsuit. > Eventually I realize I NEED more diversity "Eventually" is too late. Hire a diverse team from day 1. This comment suggests that "diversity", however you define it, is sub-optimal and a burden to be carried. > but now I've created the perfect conditions for discrimination lawsuits by having an all-white, all-male company This is a problem of your own making by not making the effort to hire a more diverse team from day 1. The additional potential legal costs are a cost associated with this approach. Edit: "hourglass-figure adorer" in your HN bio is a bit of a concern. Does this have a meaning I'm not aware of, or is part of your public, profesisonal persona the enjoyment of a particular female body shape?

pmarreck 6y ago
> Admitting your mindset isn't productive is hard Nah, I am good at admitting fault given sufficient reasoning or evidence, unlike most people. But if I think I have a point, I may double down on it. Observe: > You're not "helping out" by hiring a women, or a person of color. This mindset has set you up for failure before even starting. Yeah, maybe. I was trying to suggest that I... ok, fine. > If there's a valid reason, then there won't be a discriminiation lawsuit. In the OP's article, the discrimination was assumed to be the reason even if other more valid reasons might have existed. This is not evidential. > Hire a diverse team from day 1 That's what I was suggesting. > Does this have a meaning I'm not aware of, or is part of your public, profesisonal persona the enjoyment of a particular female body shape? Let's just say I am 48 years old and used to subscribe to Heavy Metal (https://www.heavymetal.com/ https://www.heavymetal.com/), which prominently features... well, you probably already know. Also that shaming me for my sexuality (without me harassing anyone, of course) is not only not a rational argument, it is discriminatory, and I refuse to apologize for how I am. It may also be convenient in this era of "cancellation for disagreement" (or as the woke leftwing sugarcoats it, "consequences") that I work for myself. >..< If I ever hire someone who has a problem with that, I'll ask them if they feel uncomfortable and work from there (note that women who express open interest in certain male body types do not faze me... but I don't want to create an uncomfortable work environment, so yeah, I'd probably have to remove that, sigh)
- maxehmookau 6y ago
  An impressively nuanced answer! Thank you. And whilst I certainly do not wish to shame you. (Consenting adults can do as they please, enjoy what they please, etc.) as someone with responsibility for hiring and firing I'm glad you can see how it could lead someone to feel uncomfortable in a work environment.

pmarreck 6y ago

> Admitting your mindset isn't productive is hard Nah, I am good at admitting fault given sufficient reasoning or evidence, unlike most people. But if I think I have a point, I may double down on it. Observe: > You're not "helping out" by hiring a women, or a person of color. This mindset has set you up for failure before even starting. Yeah, maybe. I was trying to suggest that I... ok, fine. > If there's a valid reason, then there won't be a discriminiation lawsuit. In the OP's article, the discrimination was assumed to be the reason even if other more valid reasons might have existed. This is not evidential. > Hire a diverse team from day 1 That's what I was suggesting. > Does this have a meaning I'm not aware of, or is part of your public, profesisonal persona the enjoyment of a particular female body shape? Let's just say I am 48 years old and used to subscribe to Heavy Metal (https://www.heavymetal.com/ https://www.heavymetal.com/), which prominently features... well, you probably already know. Also that shaming me for my sexuality (without me harassing anyone, of course) is not only not a rational argument, it is discriminatory, and I refuse to apologize for how I am. It may also be convenient in this era of "cancellation for disagreement" (or as the woke leftwing sugarcoats it, "consequences") that I work for myself. >..< If I ever hire someone who has a problem with that, I'll ask them if they feel uncomfortable and work from there (note that women who express open interest in certain male body types do not faze me... but I don't want to create an uncomfortable work environment, so yeah, I'd probably have to remove that, sigh)

maxehmookau 6y ago
An impressively nuanced answer! Thank you. And whilst I certainly do not wish to shame you. (Consenting adults can do as they please, enjoy what they please, etc.) as someone with responsibility for hiring and firing I'm glad you can see how it could lead someone to feel uncomfortable in a work environment.