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>I like iOS, but not Android. Let me explain why. No Firefox on iOS, hence useless.

by xxs 6y ago

bayindirh 6y ago
That's another way to look at it. This is why we have choices and other mobile OSs.
wallaBBB 6y ago
Then what have I been using on iOS for the past 4 years? (as long as I've been using iOS)
- bayindirh 6y ago
  A Firefox shell running on iOS Safari Engine. I also use it and love it for its syncing capabilities, but the underlying engine is not Gecko.
- Daho0n 6y ago
  A skinned Safari.
Daho0n 6y ago
For those that aren't aware: Because only safari is allowed in iOS every other browser is basically just a skin.
- xxs 6y ago
  The main issue was (I guess still is), iOS does not allow JIT compilation - in order to keep control over the apps available (having JIT would allow running any code effectively). Of course, nowadays the assets of apps have to be part of the deployable, itself. So it's common to run localhost web server.
- fsflover 6y ago
  "This is for your security": https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU05/20190716/109793/HHRG-116-JU05-20190716-SD036.pdf https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU05/20190716/109793/HHRG....
shrew 6y ago
Honest question: is it simply the fact you can't use a Gecko engine on iOS that makes it useless to you? My impression is that the Firefox shell offered is still able to provide the various anti-tracking privacy features that many would point to Firefox for, and the variety of browser shells available should mean that you'd be able to find a UI to your liking if Safari's isn't. At that point, the only thing I can see missing is a non-webkit engine. I get that that's an annoyance and definitely on the same anti-competitive level as 00s era IE, but by and large web developers account for it and it works acceptably. As much as I'd need it to for mobile browsing. Would just be interested to know if there's something more I'm missing.
- xxs 6y ago
  > Honest question: is it simply the fact you can't use a Gecko engine on iOS that makes it useless to you? No plugins/add-ons effectively.
  - coldtea 6y ago
    Because you need plugins on a mobile browser?
    - hypertele-Xii 6y ago
      Adblock?
      - GekkePrutser 6y ago
        Indeed uBlock Origin is the #1 reason I use Firefox on Android. #2 is dark reader.
        tokamak-teapot 6y ago
        AdGuard works pretty well on iOS. I don’t think there is a way to do a ‘dark reader’ specifically though perhaps pages honour the OS’s ‘dark mode’ setting these days? I would guess support is spotty.

>I like iOS, but not Android. Let me explain why. No Firefox on iOS, hence useless.

by xxs 6y ago

>I like iOS, but not Android. Let me explain why. No Firefox on iOS, hence useless.

bayindirh 6y ago

That's another way to look at it. This is why we have choices and other mobile OSs.

wallaBBB 6y ago

Then what have I been using on iOS for the past 4 years? (as long as I've been using iOS)

bayindirh 6y ago
A Firefox shell running on iOS Safari Engine. I also use it and love it for its syncing capabilities, but the underlying engine is not Gecko.
Daho0n 6y ago
A skinned Safari.

Daho0n 6y ago

For those that aren't aware: Because only safari is allowed in iOS every other browser is basically just a skin.

xxs 6y ago
The main issue was (I guess still is), iOS does not allow JIT compilation - in order to keep control over the apps available (having JIT would allow running any code effectively). Of course, nowadays the assets of apps have to be part of the deployable, itself. So it's common to run localhost web server.
fsflover 6y ago
"This is for your security": https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU05/20190716/109793/HHRG-116-JU05-20190716-SD036.pdf https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU05/20190716/109793/HHRG....

shrew 6y ago

Honest question: is it simply the fact you can't use a Gecko engine on iOS that makes it useless to you? My impression is that the Firefox shell offered is still able to provide the various anti-tracking privacy features that many would point to Firefox for, and the variety of browser shells available should mean that you'd be able to find a UI to your liking if Safari's isn't. At that point, the only thing I can see missing is a non-webkit engine. I get that that's an annoyance and definitely on the same anti-competitive level as 00s era IE, but by and large web developers account for it and it works acceptably. As much as I'd need it to for mobile browsing. Would just be interested to know if there's something more I'm missing.

xxs 6y ago
> Honest question: is it simply the fact you can't use a Gecko engine on iOS that makes it useless to you? No plugins/add-ons effectively.
- coldtea 6y ago
  Because you need plugins on a mobile browser?
  - hypertele-Xii 6y ago
    Adblock?
    - GekkePrutser 6y ago
      Indeed uBlock Origin is the #1 reason I use Firefox on Android. #2 is dark reader.
      - tokamak-teapot 6y ago
        AdGuard works pretty well on iOS. I don’t think there is a way to do a ‘dark reader’ specifically though perhaps pages honour the OS’s ‘dark mode’ setting these days? I would guess support is spotty.