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I suspect the adoption process will be slow because consumers really don't want this product. Self driving cars will drive the speed limit and infuriate both o

I suspect the adoption process will be slow because consumers really don't want this product. Self driving cars will drive the speed limit and infuriate both other motorists and their owners who are getting passed by speeding human driven cars. There will also be well publicized stories of the few times that self driving cars perform worse than humans. All drivers think they are above average and therefore the statistical comparison to the average driver does not apply to them.

dawnerd 6y ago
> because consumers really don't want this product > Self driving cars will drive the speed limit Tesla is proving both to be false, today.
- Daho0n 6y ago
  Tesla's aren't self driving. They are helping humans drive. For a Tesla to not drive the speed limit it would have to either be told to do so or fail.
  - dawnerd 6y ago
    Maybe you should drive a Tesla before you claim what it does. It will gladly speed without driver input. There’s an offset setting since not everywhere has the same customs. Here it’s about 7% increase is safe without getting pulled over. The FSD beta is rolling out to everyone that wants it (which is a lot) in the next week or so. Yes it’s not perfect, but saying it’s not self driving is doing a huge disservice to the entire development team.
    - Daho0n 6y ago
      If I take a drive on a highway in the Tesla and the signs says 80 the car won't just decide to suddenly go 125 just because it feels like having some fun. You speed, your car doesn't, unless it is faulty. Tesla's aren't self driving no matter how many times Elon says so. It's not even the best in most tests in being a driver assistance.. Being a fan of a car and not being able to see it's faults isn't healthy.
      - dawnerd 6y ago
        ok
asdfasgasdgasdg 6y ago
If there's one thing I don't care about on the road, it's infuriating other motorists with my safe driving. But, for what it's worth, I drive the speed limit and I pretty much never see anyone get angry at me for it. If you hang out in the right lane, all the type A people driving 20 over are in the other lane, zipping past you. You simply don't encounter the type of people who would get mad at speed limit driving in the slow lane. As long as the self driving cars are implemented to follow passing rules, it's not going to be an issue if they were to drive the speed limit (although as another person pointed out to you this is a counterfactual).
andrewprock 6y ago
Consumers definitely want a self driving product. What they don't want is a self driving product where they bear liability for the mistakes the self driving product makes.
ncallaway 6y ago
> and their owners who are getting passed by speeding human driven cars. I personally drive 5-6 mph over the speed limit on freeways when the weather and visibility is good. But I absolutely 100% do not care if the vehicle is driving the speed limit if I do not have to be controlling it. What do I care if the vehicle takes an extra 10 minutes to get to the destination? It'll just mean 10 extra minutes of work or nap time.
Gys 6y ago
When I was young people would never buy a car with automatic gearing because that was not cool (in Europe). I remember the first mobile phones and everybody said that will stay niche, because why would you need to call if not at home? (Except sales people) Convenience is a very, very strong motivator.
mindvirus 6y ago
I think people will want it. They'll get to watch netflix or read or take meetings on their commutes. They'll get to live further from the city in a bigger place than they could otherwise. I also suspect we'll see cars looking more like living rooms or offices. The other thing is that as we have more self driving cars, speed limits will be able to be relaxed. Most humans can't safely drive at 100mph, but on a road of only self driving cars that seems very possible. So that 1 hour commute radius gets bigger and bigger.
- hardtke 6y ago
  I agree that a world of 100% fully self driving cars that talk to each other makes the road capacity and travel speeds much greater. I don't see any way, however, to get from here to there (at least in the US). Are we going to give cars to people that currently rely on beat up used cars to get to their jobs? It's the same reason we can't have single payer healthcare -- the chasm is too far for us to cross politically and economically even if the destination would be superior.
vbezhenar 6y ago
There are plenty of people who are afraid of driving. They might be self driving car audience, if self driving cars would not require driver license.

dawnerd 6y ago

> because consumers really don't want this product > Self driving cars will drive the speed limit Tesla is proving both to be false, today.

Daho0n 6y ago
Tesla's aren't self driving. They are helping humans drive. For a Tesla to not drive the speed limit it would have to either be told to do so or fail.
- dawnerd 6y ago
  Maybe you should drive a Tesla before you claim what it does. It will gladly speed without driver input. There’s an offset setting since not everywhere has the same customs. Here it’s about 7% increase is safe without getting pulled over. The FSD beta is rolling out to everyone that wants it (which is a lot) in the next week or so. Yes it’s not perfect, but saying it’s not self driving is doing a huge disservice to the entire development team.
  - Daho0n 6y ago
    If I take a drive on a highway in the Tesla and the signs says 80 the car won't just decide to suddenly go 125 just because it feels like having some fun. You speed, your car doesn't, unless it is faulty. Tesla's aren't self driving no matter how many times Elon says so. It's not even the best in most tests in being a driver assistance.. Being a fan of a car and not being able to see it's faults isn't healthy.
    - dawnerd 6y ago
      ok

asdfasgasdgasdg 6y ago

If there's one thing I don't care about on the road, it's infuriating other motorists with my safe driving. But, for what it's worth, I drive the speed limit and I pretty much never see anyone get angry at me for it. If you hang out in the right lane, all the type A people driving 20 over are in the other lane, zipping past you. You simply don't encounter the type of people who would get mad at speed limit driving in the slow lane. As long as the self driving cars are implemented to follow passing rules, it's not going to be an issue if they were to drive the speed limit (although as another person pointed out to you this is a counterfactual).

andrewprock 6y ago

Consumers definitely want a self driving product. What they don't want is a self driving product where they bear liability for the mistakes the self driving product makes.

ncallaway 6y ago

> and their owners who are getting passed by speeding human driven cars. I personally drive 5-6 mph over the speed limit on freeways when the weather and visibility is good. But I absolutely 100% do not care if the vehicle is driving the speed limit if I do not have to be controlling it. What do I care if the vehicle takes an extra 10 minutes to get to the destination? It'll just mean 10 extra minutes of work or nap time.

Gys 6y ago

When I was young people would never buy a car with automatic gearing because that was not cool (in Europe). I remember the first mobile phones and everybody said that will stay niche, because why would you need to call if not at home? (Except sales people) Convenience is a very, very strong motivator.

mindvirus 6y ago

I think people will want it. They'll get to watch netflix or read or take meetings on their commutes. They'll get to live further from the city in a bigger place than they could otherwise. I also suspect we'll see cars looking more like living rooms or offices. The other thing is that as we have more self driving cars, speed limits will be able to be relaxed. Most humans can't safely drive at 100mph, but on a road of only self driving cars that seems very possible. So that 1 hour commute radius gets bigger and bigger.

hardtke 6y ago
I agree that a world of 100% fully self driving cars that talk to each other makes the road capacity and travel speeds much greater. I don't see any way, however, to get from here to there (at least in the US). Are we going to give cars to people that currently rely on beat up used cars to get to their jobs? It's the same reason we can't have single payer healthcare -- the chasm is too far for us to cross politically and economically even if the destination would be superior.

vbezhenar 6y ago

There are plenty of people who are afraid of driving. They might be self driving car audience, if self driving cars would not require driver license.