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No, I don’t have FSD or the beta. I really do love my model 3, but charging for FSD that doesn’t yet exist is the closest thing to fraud I’ve ever seen so wide

No, I don’t have FSD or the beta. I really do love my model 3, but charging for FSD that doesn’t yet exist is the closest thing to fraud I’ve ever seen so widely available. The issues I have with AP have little to do with their object learning or need to gather more information (though I agree camera-only isn’t enough). The car knows where the lane boundaries are but doesn’t take advantage of the width. It knows accurately enough where other vehicles are that it could avoid staying in another driver’s blind spot indefinitely. Tesla is teaching their cars how to drive with terrible habits and not building defensive driving into their rule set.

xiphias2 6y ago
The problem is not camera only autopilot. Your current software uses a projected view that can be seen from the camera for path planning. Dave made great interview about it on youtube. If you are in the right region, you can try the FSD beta soon enough, which has showm amazing driving skills already from the Youtube videos I have seen. I live in the EU though, so I guess I have to wait at least a year or 2 to try the beta :(
- theluketaylor 6y ago
  I did not pay for FSD, so I won't be getting any of that. My issues with autopilot are about the fact it fundamentally doesn't practice defensive driving. This has nothing to do with how tesla choses to input information as they already have more than enough detail to drive more defensively. They are fundamentally creating a very bad driver who cannot safely interact with other traffic and actively creates more risk on the road.
  - xiphias2 6y ago
    I see, if that’s true though, their safety statistics will not improve, which they can’t afford, so I’m sure it will improve over time, it’s just probably not yet ready for your safety profile.
- brokenmachine 6y ago
  How many beta software programs do you use on your PC? How many of those beta software programs that you use on your PC would you trust enough that if they "crashed", you would be dead/horribly maimed? "Beta" should not exist on public roads, except under very controlled conditions.

xiphias2 6y ago

The problem is not camera only autopilot. Your current software uses a projected view that can be seen from the camera for path planning. Dave made great interview about it on youtube. If you are in the right region, you can try the FSD beta soon enough, which has showm amazing driving skills already from the Youtube videos I have seen. I live in the EU though, so I guess I have to wait at least a year or 2 to try the beta :(

theluketaylor 6y ago
I did not pay for FSD, so I won't be getting any of that. My issues with autopilot are about the fact it fundamentally doesn't practice defensive driving. This has nothing to do with how tesla choses to input information as they already have more than enough detail to drive more defensively. They are fundamentally creating a very bad driver who cannot safely interact with other traffic and actively creates more risk on the road.
- xiphias2 6y ago
  I see, if that’s true though, their safety statistics will not improve, which they can’t afford, so I’m sure it will improve over time, it’s just probably not yet ready for your safety profile.
brokenmachine 6y ago
How many beta software programs do you use on your PC? How many of those beta software programs that you use on your PC would you trust enough that if they "crashed", you would be dead/horribly maimed? "Beta" should not exist on public roads, except under very controlled conditions.