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"Culture fit" without any other explanation is fairly solid evidence. First off, programming is one of the most "culture agnostic" jobs I've worked - if you're

"Culture fit" without any other explanation is fairly solid evidence. First off, programming is one of the most "culture agnostic" jobs I've worked - if you're a high performer, you can absolutely get away with being an abrasive asshole. At least, if you're male. That's slowly changing, but I still find the social skills of the average programmer to be significantly below what I'd expect from, say, a minimum wage cashier or call center employee. (And that's fine, but it makes "culture fit" look like a much more suspicious excuse) The other aspect here is that they just fired her, without any effort to actually work on that "culture fit". I've worked with managers who had wildly different styles, and some of them did NOT like mine. But instead of getting fired, I had conversations with them. It's certainly possible that she's lying, or in denial, or just plain wrong. But I'd say the weight of the evidence favors her.

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azinman2 6y ago
We don’t know that issues were or weren’t discussed with her. She just might not have put 2+2 together. I also don’t agree that you can sometimes get away with being an asshole if you’re a high performer… there certainly are environments where that’s the case but equally there plenty of others where it doesn’t cut it. I remember telling another team who I (previously) worked for, to which he replied “that guy? He’s impossible to work with.” Not too much later he was let go despite all his accolades and status. I’ve seen enough assholes and inadvertent jerks have zero ability to reflect on their lack of EQ to ever be able to understand why things didn’t work out for them. They always blame it on others. I don’t know if that’s the case here or not, but I’d never take a random blog post as complete truth of a situation that involves multiple people and subjective judgement rendered. It reminds me of a recent posting to HN about an Apple employee who seemed to go thru hell. Her rant was so extreme and unprofessional in its rant-y-ness it made me heavily question her own judgment and behavior. She made have been in a toxic environment, to which she may or may not have equally contributed without realizing it.

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azinman2 6y ago

We don’t know that issues were or weren’t discussed with her. She just might not have put 2+2 together. I also don’t agree that you can sometimes get away with being an asshole if you’re a high performer… there certainly are environments where that’s the case but equally there plenty of others where it doesn’t cut it. I remember telling another team who I (previously) worked for, to which he replied “that guy? He’s impossible to work with.” Not too much later he was let go despite all his accolades and status. I’ve seen enough assholes and inadvertent jerks have zero ability to reflect on their lack of EQ to ever be able to understand why things didn’t work out for them. They always blame it on others. I don’t know if that’s the case here or not, but I’d never take a random blog post as complete truth of a situation that involves multiple people and subjective judgement rendered. It reminds me of a recent posting to HN about an Apple employee who seemed to go thru hell. Her rant was so extreme and unprofessional in its rant-y-ness it made me heavily question her own judgment and behavior. She made have been in a toxic environment, to which she may or may not have equally contributed without realizing it.