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I think he has a good point, and as someone who really likes functional languages, I agree with him, but I think there really needs to be a better explanation o
by hvs 15y ago
I think he has a good point, and as someone who really likes functional languages, I agree with him, but I think there really needs to be a better explanation of functional "patterns" and how to structure large functional programs before it will catch on more.
Also, it's easy to say, "object-oriented programming is bad for reuse," but that's not all OO is for (i.e. encapsulation, etc.).
- kenjackson 15y agoI'd have to go back through the literature, but reuse was not something I heard talked about much at all when I first seriously started doing OO in the 90s. With that said, reuse with OO today is not in a horrible state, no pun intended. Things can certainly be easier, but I think design is the bigger issue. And the problems I see suffer in functional designs as well as OO designs.
- jamesbritt 15y agoI'd have to go back through the literature, but reuse was not something I heard talked about much at all when I first seriously started doing OO in the 90s. Maybe it was an '80s thing, but I recall "reusable software components" being touted as the industry savior. OO was all about reuse then.
- o1iver 15y agoSee Fred Brooks's "No Silver Bullet". If I remember correctly that was one of his hopes for OO...
- DavidMcLaughlin 15y agoEncapsulation is also addressed in the article. I really liked his response to that too, it was like a more succinct version of the Steve Yegge Wikileaks/Java private methods blog post[1] that did the rounds a few months back. [1] - http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2010/07/wikileaks-to-leak-5000-open-source-java.html http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2010/07/wikileaks-to-leak-50...
- rads 15y ago> I think he has a good point, and as someone who really likes functional languages, I agree with him, but I think there really needs to be a better explanation of functional "patterns" and how to structure large functional programs before it will catch on more. Are there any good existing resources for learning these things?
- swannodette 15y agoIt's really hard to beat Hickey's Clojure Bookshelf, http://www.amazon.com/Clojure-Bookshelf/lm/R3LG3ZBZS4GCTH http://www.amazon.com/Clojure-Bookshelf/lm/R3LG3ZBZS4GCTH. I've found the Standard ML books to be particularly illuminating as far as structuring functional code.
- Luyt 15y agoApparently he reads those books while lying in a 'Presidential Cotton Rope Hammock' [1], which is at the bottom of his Bookshelf list ;-) [1] http://www.amazon.com/Presidential-Cotton-Rope-Hammock-Size/dp/B002DEO458 http://www.amazon.com/Presidential-Cotton-Rope-Hammock-Size/...
- icey 15y agoIt's a reference to this talk: http://blip.tv/clojure/hammock-driven-development-4475586 http://blip.tv/clojure/hammock-driven-development-4475586