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>I have never considered that “having chemistry with the team” could be a reason for being let go. That's what worries me too. I like to throw a racist jokes,

>I have never considered that “having chemistry with the team” could be a reason for being let go. That's what worries me too. I like to throw a racist jokes, especially about my own nation from time to time and I guess I'd have hard time in corpos and companies like faang because polacks tend to lack of thick skin /s

tolbish 6y ago
Generally one should read the room before opening the barn door of ethnic jokes.
- cobraetor 6y ago
  In other words, it is all about social skills. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAe867evM18 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAe867evM18
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ojnabieoot 6y ago
Racist “jokes” make people uncomfortable because it’s directly adjacent to racist insults, racist hiring/firing practices, and even racist violence. Employers have a duty to workers from employees that are potential threats, and to remove employees that are walking legal liabilities. And that very much includes employees who claim to be “equal-opportunity offenders.” I understand that it’s more complicated when you are making jokes about your own ethnic group. But please understand that it’s not an issue of “bad culture fit.” As an example, employees who make relentless personal criticisms of their coworkers aren’t gruff people that have trouble fitting in to an upright corporate culture: they are jerks whose behavior rightfully makes them difficult to work with and hard to justify hiring. It is the same with making ethnic / racist jokes in the office. Just don’t do it. (There is also a difference between ethnic jokes about Poles and racist jokes about black people or Jews, but that’s a different discussion. Both are really not appropriate for the office.)
- EvilEy3 6y ago
  >There is also a difference between ethnic jokes about Poles and racist jokes about black people or Jews, but that’s a different discussion. Oh wow, here we go with racism gatekeeping.
- tester756 6y ago
  What's the difference when it comes to racism between Poles and Jews?
driverdan 6y ago
> I like to throw a racist jokes, especially about my own nation from time to time Do we really have to explain why that's inappropriate?
- tester756 6y ago
  Go ahead I view this as a kind of self-criticism, awarness that your country ain't as perfect as the gov paints it and so on
munificent 6y ago
There was a time in the US when racist/cultural jokes about groups one was a member of were considered harmless and funny. But, for better or worse, that time is not now. The set of things you can comfortably joke about at work is pretty small these days and almost never includes jokes about any kind of group identity.
lostcolony 6y ago
So there's a wonderful idea from the world of comedy about this. It's the idea of punching down, vs punching up. That is, if you are joking about someone in a worse position than you, it's punching down, and a dick move. If you are joking about someone in a better position than you, it's punching up, and allowable. It's why it's okay for black comedians to joke about white people, but not okay for white comedians to joke about black people. It's why politics is always fair game to make fun of (people in power), but disabilities, say, aren't. Etc. While punching across is technically doable, it's also very, very hard to do, because ultimately who are you telling the joke to? Who is laughing? I.e., if you talk about things your family does from your own homeland, and people laugh, what are they laughing at? They're laughing at your homeland, your culture, because they feel 'above' it in some way. It's an invitation to punch down. Otherwise it isn't funny; it's interesting. Truly punching across tends to be for an audience that is also the butt of the joke (think Vir Das telling jokes about Hindu beliefs). Now, that's not to be confused with an explanation or similar. I've worked for a German company, and when asking about why we did something that seemed suboptimal to me, another employee, himself German, has said "That's very German". That's not necessarily a judgement, that's not an invitation to laugh at how silly German culture is; that's just a prelude to an explanation that it's a cultural difference in priorities.

tolbish 6y ago

Generally one should read the room before opening the barn door of ethnic jokes.

cobraetor 6y ago
In other words, it is all about social skills. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAe867evM18 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAe867evM18

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ojnabieoot 6y ago

Racist “jokes” make people uncomfortable because it’s directly adjacent to racist insults, racist hiring/firing practices, and even racist violence. Employers have a duty to workers from employees that are potential threats, and to remove employees that are walking legal liabilities. And that very much includes employees who claim to be “equal-opportunity offenders.” I understand that it’s more complicated when you are making jokes about your own ethnic group. But please understand that it’s not an issue of “bad culture fit.” As an example, employees who make relentless personal criticisms of their coworkers aren’t gruff people that have trouble fitting in to an upright corporate culture: they are jerks whose behavior rightfully makes them difficult to work with and hard to justify hiring. It is the same with making ethnic / racist jokes in the office. Just don’t do it. (There is also a difference between ethnic jokes about Poles and racist jokes about black people or Jews, but that’s a different discussion. Both are really not appropriate for the office.)

EvilEy3 6y ago
>There is also a difference between ethnic jokes about Poles and racist jokes about black people or Jews, but that’s a different discussion. Oh wow, here we go with racism gatekeeping.
tester756 6y ago
What's the difference when it comes to racism between Poles and Jews?

driverdan 6y ago

> I like to throw a racist jokes, especially about my own nation from time to time Do we really have to explain why that's inappropriate?

tester756 6y ago
Go ahead I view this as a kind of self-criticism, awarness that your country ain't as perfect as the gov paints it and so on

munificent 6y ago

There was a time in the US when racist/cultural jokes about groups one was a member of were considered harmless and funny. But, for better or worse, that time is not now. The set of things you can comfortably joke about at work is pretty small these days and almost never includes jokes about any kind of group identity.

lostcolony 6y ago

So there's a wonderful idea from the world of comedy about this. It's the idea of punching down, vs punching up. That is, if you are joking about someone in a worse position than you, it's punching down, and a dick move. If you are joking about someone in a better position than you, it's punching up, and allowable. It's why it's okay for black comedians to joke about white people, but not okay for white comedians to joke about black people. It's why politics is always fair game to make fun of (people in power), but disabilities, say, aren't. Etc. While punching across is technically doable, it's also very, very hard to do, because ultimately who are you telling the joke to? Who is laughing? I.e., if you talk about things your family does from your own homeland, and people laugh, what are they laughing at? They're laughing at your homeland, your culture, because they feel 'above' it in some way. It's an invitation to punch down. Otherwise it isn't funny; it's interesting. Truly punching across tends to be for an audience that is also the butt of the joke (think Vir Das telling jokes about Hindu beliefs). Now, that's not to be confused with an explanation or similar. I've worked for a German company, and when asking about why we did something that seemed suboptimal to me, another employee, himself German, has said "That's very German". That's not necessarily a judgement, that's not an invitation to laugh at how silly German culture is; that's just a prelude to an explanation that it's a cultural difference in priorities.