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I don't really see those as directly comparable. The problem most people have with the countries you listed is the specific regime in power. Depose the leader

by slg 6y ago

I don't really see those as directly comparable. The problem most people have with the countries you listed is the specific regime in power. Depose the leaders, have a free election, and many of those complaints go away. The problem that many people in neighboring countries have traditionally had with Israel is its existence. You can't change the Israeli government in a way to satisfy those demands. It is more than just "complicated politics" for them.

8note 6y ago
You certainly could swap out the regime from being a Jewish state to being an Islamic state? Constitutional change would solve that issue
- mola 6y ago
  Yeah, well after the holocaust no jew will give up sovreignity and rule so it can be a minority in an islamic state.
- slg 6y ago
  That wouldn't provide any real solution to the region's political problems. Jewish people make up some 75% of the country. The only way to turn Israel into an Islamic state would be through conquest. The country would still have Occupied Territories except the map would be inverted.
- eli_gottlieb 6y ago
  Yeah, I can't imagine why all of us Jews aren't voting for the policy of an Islamic State in the Levant. That platform has obviously never been tried before, certainly not by the region's most disgustingly, genocidally evil terrorist group, the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.
konart 6y ago
>Depose the leaders, have a free election, and many of those complaints go away. I love when people oversimplify things like that.
- slg 6y ago
  I thought it was obvious that I was both simplifying the situation and talking about the long term repercussions. I recognize that holding a national election tomorrow in North Korea wouldn’t result in any real improvement. The important point is that Israel’s problems are largely detached from the flaws of its current leaders. Meanwhile the problems in the listed countries are often created or reinforced by their current or former leaders.

by slg 6y ago

8note 6y ago

You certainly could swap out the regime from being a Jewish state to being an Islamic state? Constitutional change would solve that issue

mola 6y ago
Yeah, well after the holocaust no jew will give up sovreignity and rule so it can be a minority in an islamic state.
slg 6y ago
That wouldn't provide any real solution to the region's political problems. Jewish people make up some 75% of the country. The only way to turn Israel into an Islamic state would be through conquest. The country would still have Occupied Territories except the map would be inverted.
eli_gottlieb 6y ago
Yeah, I can't imagine why all of us Jews aren't voting for the policy of an Islamic State in the Levant. That platform has obviously never been tried before, certainly not by the region's most disgustingly, genocidally evil terrorist group, the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.

konart 6y ago

>Depose the leaders, have a free election, and many of those complaints go away. I love when people oversimplify things like that.

slg 6y ago
I thought it was obvious that I was both simplifying the situation and talking about the long term repercussions. I recognize that holding a national election tomorrow in North Korea wouldn’t result in any real improvement. The important point is that Israel’s problems are largely detached from the flaws of its current leaders. Meanwhile the problems in the listed countries are often created or reinforced by their current or former leaders.