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errr.... https://www.timesofisrael.com/rebuffed-by-lebanon-israelis-seek-workarounds-to-get-help-to-beirut/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/rebuffed-by-lebanon-i

errr.... https://www.timesofisrael.com/rebuffed-by-lebanon-israelis-seek-workarounds-to-get-help-to-beirut/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/rebuffed-by-lebanon-israelis-s...

ceejayoz 6y ago
This shouldn't be at all surprising. The CIA did a fake vaccination program to find Bin Laden. I'd probably look askance at offers of aid workers from a country I'm technically at war with.
- marshmallow_12 6y ago
  People were up in arms that palestinians weren't offered vaccines. If Israel doesn't give medical aid they are devils, when they do, they really want to cause harm. Come on.
  - ceejayoz 6y ago
    Yes, millennia of feuding leads to mistrust, on both sides. It's unlikely to be solved anytime soon.
    - nivertech 6y ago
      millennia? more like since 1964 [1] ;) The Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) [...] is an organization founded in 1964 with the purpose of the "liberation of Palestine" through armed struggle, with much of its violence aimed at Israeli civilians. Before that it was vanilla antisemitism, pogroms and massacres organized by the local Muslims, no different than how it was done in other places in the Middle East (or other places in the world). Some even were Nazi sympathizers/collaborators, like the Mufti of Jerusalem [2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Liberation_Organization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Liberation_Organizat... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini
      - hpcjoe 6y ago
        I wouldn't say millenia, but hundreds of years seems appropriate[1][2][3][4] .... The "resistance" didn't start with the PLO. They are only the latest manifestation of a conflict going back centuries. It didn't start in 1948, or 1964, etc. It started long before that. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936%E2%80%931939_Arab_revolt_in_Palestine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936%E2%80%931939_Arab_revolt_... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1517_Hebron_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1517_Hebron_attacks [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hebron https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hebron ad nausem
        nivertech 6y ago
        That's exactly what I wrote, so we're in agreement here. Before 1964 it wasn't driven by a Palestinian national aspirations, it was driven by religious antisemitism/bigotry, and in a much lesser extent by pan-Arabism. There were many massacres of the Jews (including of women and children) by the local Arabs. It wasn't something specific to Israel, it happened with many minorities all over the Middle East. My family has oral memories of one such massacre. But I wouldn't call massacres of the civilian minority population - a "resistance".
        hpcjoe 6y ago
        I should clarify that I was ironically using that word. Basically the point is that this is part of a much larger history, that has pretty much nothing whatsoever to do with the formation of Israel. Unfortunately, most of the people who've been tasked with bringing the "conflict" to an end cannot seem to fathom, or more importantly, actively choose to deny the existence of these prior elements. As they would completely undermine their (only) thesis. Again, I hate giving Trump credit for stuff, but his approach of "lets make deals with parties willing to make deals, and ignore those who want to waste our time" has opened doors. It would be a tremendous shame if we walked backwards to the old (failed) peace processors viewpoint. With the current administration, I'd say that was inevitable. Lebanon could benefit from this. So could the Pals. All they have to do is stop trying to kill Israelis and destroy Israel. I have little hope of this happening in my lifetime.
  - jraby3 6y ago
    There is a lot of confusion here. Israel is 25% Arab (mostly Palestinian). All those Palestinians have full medical care just like any other citizen of Israel. Israel has now begun to vaccinate Palestinian workers that commute from Gaza and the West Bank, and has also donated vaccines (despite the Palestinian government stating repeatedly they don’t want help from Israel) to Palestine.
- KDJohnBrown 6y ago
  Very much similar to the Tuskegee experiment. When your opressors experiment on you in the name of science it is logical to distrust the science of your oppressor. Would any Jew in 1950 have willingly taken a German vaccine?

errr.... https://www.timesofisrael.com/rebuffed-by-lebanon-israelis-seek-workarounds-to-get-help-to-beirut/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/rebuffed-by-lebanon-israelis-s...

ceejayoz 6y ago

This shouldn't be at all surprising. The CIA did a fake vaccination program to find Bin Laden. I'd probably look askance at offers of aid workers from a country I'm technically at war with.

marshmallow_12 6y ago
People were up in arms that palestinians weren't offered vaccines. If Israel doesn't give medical aid they are devils, when they do, they really want to cause harm. Come on.
- ceejayoz 6y ago
  Yes, millennia of feuding leads to mistrust, on both sides. It's unlikely to be solved anytime soon.
  - nivertech 6y ago
    millennia? more like since 1964 [1] ;) The Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) [...] is an organization founded in 1964 with the purpose of the "liberation of Palestine" through armed struggle, with much of its violence aimed at Israeli civilians. Before that it was vanilla antisemitism, pogroms and massacres organized by the local Muslims, no different than how it was done in other places in the Middle East (or other places in the world). Some even were Nazi sympathizers/collaborators, like the Mufti of Jerusalem [2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Liberation_Organization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Liberation_Organizat... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini
    - hpcjoe 6y ago
      I wouldn't say millenia, but hundreds of years seems appropriate[1][2][3][4] .... The "resistance" didn't start with the PLO. They are only the latest manifestation of a conflict going back centuries. It didn't start in 1948, or 1964, etc. It started long before that. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936%E2%80%931939_Arab_revolt_in_Palestine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936%E2%80%931939_Arab_revolt_... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1517_Hebron_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1517_Hebron_attacks [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hebron https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hebron ad nausem
      - nivertech 6y ago
        That's exactly what I wrote, so we're in agreement here. Before 1964 it wasn't driven by a Palestinian national aspirations, it was driven by religious antisemitism/bigotry, and in a much lesser extent by pan-Arabism. There were many massacres of the Jews (including of women and children) by the local Arabs. It wasn't something specific to Israel, it happened with many minorities all over the Middle East. My family has oral memories of one such massacre. But I wouldn't call massacres of the civilian minority population - a "resistance".
        hpcjoe 6y ago
        I should clarify that I was ironically using that word. Basically the point is that this is part of a much larger history, that has pretty much nothing whatsoever to do with the formation of Israel. Unfortunately, most of the people who've been tasked with bringing the "conflict" to an end cannot seem to fathom, or more importantly, actively choose to deny the existence of these prior elements. As they would completely undermine their (only) thesis. Again, I hate giving Trump credit for stuff, but his approach of "lets make deals with parties willing to make deals, and ignore those who want to waste our time" has opened doors. It would be a tremendous shame if we walked backwards to the old (failed) peace processors viewpoint. With the current administration, I'd say that was inevitable. Lebanon could benefit from this. So could the Pals. All they have to do is stop trying to kill Israelis and destroy Israel. I have little hope of this happening in my lifetime.
- jraby3 6y ago
  There is a lot of confusion here. Israel is 25% Arab (mostly Palestinian). All those Palestinians have full medical care just like any other citizen of Israel. Israel has now begun to vaccinate Palestinian workers that commute from Gaza and the West Bank, and has also donated vaccines (despite the Palestinian government stating repeatedly they don’t want help from Israel) to Palestine.
KDJohnBrown 6y ago
Very much similar to the Tuskegee experiment. When your opressors experiment on you in the name of science it is logical to distrust the science of your oppressor. Would any Jew in 1950 have willingly taken a German vaccine?