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Israel also needs to make peace with Lebanon, a country they have invaded 5 times.

WJW 6y ago
As a (former) military officer I will refrain from commenting on current foreign politics. I just observe that both countries could gain a lot from the cessation of their current conflict. Which country actually initiates negotiations is not very interesting, if you can even accurately determine the "start" of any negotiation in this time of digital communications and backchannel diplomacy.
- eli_gottlieb 6y ago
  > As a (former) military officer I will refrain from commenting on current foreign politics. I just observe that both countries could gain a lot from the cessation of their current conflict. It would also be nice if Lebanon accepted the international community's ruling that yes, the 2000 Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon really happened, and there is in fact no remaining occupation of Lebanese land.
  - bjourne 6y ago
    Why should Lebanon accept rulings from the international community when Israel has ignored almost every single one since 1948?! The core of the issue is the 30 square kilometers Shebaa Farms area which Israel occupied in 1967. Syria and Lebanon claims that it is Lebanese territory and Lebanon wants it back. Israel claims that it was Syrian territory that it occupied and subsequently annexed in 1980. Regardless of whether the Shebaa Farms area is Syrian or Lebanese territory, it clearly isn't Israeli territory. https://pij.org/articles/9/understanding-the-shebaa-farms-dispute-roots-of-he-anomaly-and-prospects-for-resolution https://pij.org/articles/9/understanding-the-shebaa-farms-di...
    - eli_gottlieb 6y ago
      That sounds like rather much of a diversion from the simple factual question of whether any under international law Lebanese land remains occupied by Israel, to which the answer is a simple no.
marshmallow_12 6y ago
errr.... https://www.timesofisrael.com/rebuffed-by-lebanon-israelis-seek-workarounds-to-get-help-to-beirut/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/rebuffed-by-lebanon-israelis-s...
- ceejayoz 6y ago
  This shouldn't be at all surprising. The CIA did a fake vaccination program to find Bin Laden. I'd probably look askance at offers of aid workers from a country I'm technically at war with.
  - marshmallow_12 6y ago
    People were up in arms that palestinians weren't offered vaccines. If Israel doesn't give medical aid they are devils, when they do, they really want to cause harm. Come on.
    - ceejayoz 6y ago
      Yes, millennia of feuding leads to mistrust, on both sides. It's unlikely to be solved anytime soon.
      - nivertech 6y ago
        millennia? more like since 1964 [1] ;) The Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) [...] is an organization founded in 1964 with the purpose of the "liberation of Palestine" through armed struggle, with much of its violence aimed at Israeli civilians. Before that it was vanilla antisemitism, pogroms and massacres organized by the local Muslims, no different than how it was done in other places in the Middle East (or other places in the world). Some even were Nazi sympathizers/collaborators, like the Mufti of Jerusalem [2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Liberation_Organization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Liberation_Organizat... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini
        6y ago
ocschwar 6y ago
Lebanon issued the declaration of war. They can withdraw it at any time. A declaration of war is an invitation to be invaded.
golemiprague 6y ago
Israel has no problem making peace with Lebanon as there is no land conflict there or anything. I guess also Christians and Druze in Lebanon will be happy to do it. But how do you convince the Shia and Sunnies to make peace I am not sure, even though some of them probably don't want this artificial conflict imposed on them by the more extreme factions

WJW 6y ago

As a (former) military officer I will refrain from commenting on current foreign politics. I just observe that both countries could gain a lot from the cessation of their current conflict. Which country actually initiates negotiations is not very interesting, if you can even accurately determine the "start" of any negotiation in this time of digital communications and backchannel diplomacy.

eli_gottlieb 6y ago
> As a (former) military officer I will refrain from commenting on current foreign politics. I just observe that both countries could gain a lot from the cessation of their current conflict. It would also be nice if Lebanon accepted the international community's ruling that yes, the 2000 Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon really happened, and there is in fact no remaining occupation of Lebanese land.
- bjourne 6y ago
  Why should Lebanon accept rulings from the international community when Israel has ignored almost every single one since 1948?! The core of the issue is the 30 square kilometers Shebaa Farms area which Israel occupied in 1967. Syria and Lebanon claims that it is Lebanese territory and Lebanon wants it back. Israel claims that it was Syrian territory that it occupied and subsequently annexed in 1980. Regardless of whether the Shebaa Farms area is Syrian or Lebanese territory, it clearly isn't Israeli territory. https://pij.org/articles/9/understanding-the-shebaa-farms-dispute-roots-of-he-anomaly-and-prospects-for-resolution https://pij.org/articles/9/understanding-the-shebaa-farms-di...
  - eli_gottlieb 6y ago
    That sounds like rather much of a diversion from the simple factual question of whether any under international law Lebanese land remains occupied by Israel, to which the answer is a simple no.

marshmallow_12 6y ago

errr.... https://www.timesofisrael.com/rebuffed-by-lebanon-israelis-seek-workarounds-to-get-help-to-beirut/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/rebuffed-by-lebanon-israelis-s...

ceejayoz 6y ago
This shouldn't be at all surprising. The CIA did a fake vaccination program to find Bin Laden. I'd probably look askance at offers of aid workers from a country I'm technically at war with.
- marshmallow_12 6y ago
  People were up in arms that palestinians weren't offered vaccines. If Israel doesn't give medical aid they are devils, when they do, they really want to cause harm. Come on.
  - ceejayoz 6y ago
    Yes, millennia of feuding leads to mistrust, on both sides. It's unlikely to be solved anytime soon.
    - nivertech 6y ago
      millennia? more like since 1964 [1] ;) The Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) [...] is an organization founded in 1964 with the purpose of the "liberation of Palestine" through armed struggle, with much of its violence aimed at Israeli civilians. Before that it was vanilla antisemitism, pogroms and massacres organized by the local Muslims, no different than how it was done in other places in the Middle East (or other places in the world). Some even were Nazi sympathizers/collaborators, like the Mufti of Jerusalem [2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Liberation_Organization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Liberation_Organizat... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini
      - 6y ago

ocschwar 6y ago

Lebanon issued the declaration of war. They can withdraw it at any time. A declaration of war is an invitation to be invaded.

golemiprague 6y ago

Israel has no problem making peace with Lebanon as there is no land conflict there or anything. I guess also Christians and Druze in Lebanon will be happy to do it. But how do you convince the Shia and Sunnies to make peace I am not sure, even though some of them probably don't want this artificial conflict imposed on them by the more extreme factions