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No, I disagree. The notion that the US is doing anything other than trying to violently hang on to its attempts at a global, dictatorial, murderous empire, that

No, I disagree. The notion that the US is doing anything other than trying to violently hang on to its attempts at a global, dictatorial, murderous empire, that only ever benefits the white west at best, is crazy.

Apocryphon 6y ago
Again, I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying it's the way things are done, and it's no more or less just or unjust than China supporting Ugandan dictator Museveni in pursuit of its regional interests, even as massive electoral fraud is perpetrated against the democratic opposition Bobi Wine. https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3122668/china-sees-chance-woo-uganda-west-mulls-sanctions-bloody https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3122668/ch... Not to mention, it's quite presumptuous to claim that the self-determination of the people of Taiwan are simply a tool that benefits the "white west." Finally, your value judgments don't really contradict anything I stated, which is simply that "great powers will meddle in the affairs of smaller nations."
- emayljames 6y ago
  Taiwan is firmly part of the US empire. Just because someone done something in the past, doesn't make it right necessarily for everyone to do in the future. If the the US was not getting economic and political projection in Taiwan, they would dump them in a second and/or create a lot of trouble for them.
  - Apocryphon 6y ago
    > Just because someone done something in the past, doesn't make it right necessarily for everyone to do in the future. I did not say it was right at all. You are the one making moral judgments here. I'm simply stating historical facts. Notice I did not at any time make the claim that just "because everyone does it" makes it excusable or right. But it does make it understandable, as an institutionalized practice or character trait of empires. > If the the US was not getting economic and political projection in Taiwan, they would dump them in a second and/or create a lot of trouble for them. You are introducing non sequiturs at this point. At no point did I support nor reject empire. Furthermore, Taiwan, like other U.S. allies or client states, has its own vested interests in being part of an alliance, because they (ostensibly) receive protection. You are denying that Taiwan has agency in seeking out advantageous (in its view) alliances. That is very condescending, and frankly, chauvinist.

Apocryphon 6y ago

Again, I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying it's the way things are done, and it's no more or less just or unjust than China supporting Ugandan dictator Museveni in pursuit of its regional interests, even as massive electoral fraud is perpetrated against the democratic opposition Bobi Wine. https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3122668/china-sees-chance-woo-uganda-west-mulls-sanctions-bloody https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3122668/ch... Not to mention, it's quite presumptuous to claim that the self-determination of the people of Taiwan are simply a tool that benefits the "white west." Finally, your value judgments don't really contradict anything I stated, which is simply that "great powers will meddle in the affairs of smaller nations."

emayljames 6y ago
Taiwan is firmly part of the US empire. Just because someone done something in the past, doesn't make it right necessarily for everyone to do in the future. If the the US was not getting economic and political projection in Taiwan, they would dump them in a second and/or create a lot of trouble for them.
- Apocryphon 6y ago
  > Just because someone done something in the past, doesn't make it right necessarily for everyone to do in the future. I did not say it was right at all. You are the one making moral judgments here. I'm simply stating historical facts. Notice I did not at any time make the claim that just "because everyone does it" makes it excusable or right. But it does make it understandable, as an institutionalized practice or character trait of empires. > If the the US was not getting economic and political projection in Taiwan, they would dump them in a second and/or create a lot of trouble for them. You are introducing non sequiturs at this point. At no point did I support nor reject empire. Furthermore, Taiwan, like other U.S. allies or client states, has its own vested interests in being part of an alliance, because they (ostensibly) receive protection. You are denying that Taiwan has agency in seeking out advantageous (in its view) alliances. That is very condescending, and frankly, chauvinist.