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Sex is not harmless. While it is one of the great human joys, it is also the source of some of our deepest despairs, intractable conflicts, and personal tragedi

Sex is not harmless. While it is one of the great human joys, it is also the source of some of our deepest despairs, intractable conflicts, and personal tragedies. This free-for-all free love ethic that you celebrate, which erased almost all of the previous social restrictions on sex, inevitably created the discontent that boiled over into the #metoo phenomenon. It is also fueling the growing incel phenomenon. It is not just out of backward thinking that every single human society has seen it fit to strictly control sex. The last half century, where your attitude largely reigned in Western Europe and almost the same extent in America, is an extreme aberration and it is ending rapidly before our eyes.

morsch 6y ago
Sex is not harmless. While it is one of the great human joys, it is also the source of some of our deepest despairs, intractable conflicts, and personal tragedies. A grand, sweeping statement that's true for quite a few things (wine, fashion, love, child rearing, freedom, your home). All the while nobody claimed that sex is harmless. Whatever that means. This free-for-all free love ethic that you celebrate, which erased almost all of the previous social restrictions on sex, inevitably created the discontent that boiled over into the #metoo phenomenon. You think that Western attitudes towards sexuality of the second half of the 20th century caused sexual harrassment and rape, or you think it empowered women to talk about and fight against it? There's plenty of evidence for the latter; rape within a marriage was legal until the 70s.
- airhead969 6y ago
  It seemed a big jump by the GP to conflate free love with a lack of consent. And what "boiled over?" There is NC/CNC but ultimately that starts from trust and consent.
- throwaway8581 6y ago
  The idea that large numbers of opposite sex are available for casual sex is a modern idea. Not hard to see how that leads to lots of unwanted and harmful sexual attention.
pjc50 6y ago
Be very clear on this: before #metoo and the modern era, rape still happened. It's just that it was such a reputation death sentence to mention it that few victims did. Partly because people like you would blame the victim.
- read_if_gay_ 6y ago
  > people like you would blame the victim. Completely unnecessary remark.
- airhead969 6y ago
  Rape and racism don't go away because of a social movement.
TomSwirly 6y ago
> This free-for-all free love ethic that you celebrate, Who said that? Why - no one! > every single human society has seen it fit to strictly control sex. A link would be very helpful in proving your dramatic and dubious claim...
TheRealSteel 6y ago
Are you... are you blaming victims for being raped and sexually assaulted? Excuse me?
- throwaway8581 6y ago
  Nope. Nothing in my post said that.
  - TheRealSteel 6y ago
    You said that people not being shamed enough about sex and their bodies leads to people speaking up when they are the victims of sexual violence, and that you view that as a problem.

morsch 6y ago

Sex is not harmless. While it is one of the great human joys, it is also the source of some of our deepest despairs, intractable conflicts, and personal tragedies. A grand, sweeping statement that's true for quite a few things (wine, fashion, love, child rearing, freedom, your home). All the while nobody claimed that sex is harmless. Whatever that means. This free-for-all free love ethic that you celebrate, which erased almost all of the previous social restrictions on sex, inevitably created the discontent that boiled over into the #metoo phenomenon. You think that Western attitudes towards sexuality of the second half of the 20th century caused sexual harrassment and rape, or you think it empowered women to talk about and fight against it? There's plenty of evidence for the latter; rape within a marriage was legal until the 70s.

airhead969 6y ago
It seemed a big jump by the GP to conflate free love with a lack of consent. And what "boiled over?" There is NC/CNC but ultimately that starts from trust and consent.
throwaway8581 6y ago
The idea that large numbers of opposite sex are available for casual sex is a modern idea. Not hard to see how that leads to lots of unwanted and harmful sexual attention.

pjc50 6y ago

Be very clear on this: before #metoo and the modern era, rape still happened. It's just that it was such a reputation death sentence to mention it that few victims did. Partly because people like you would blame the victim.

read_if_gay_ 6y ago
> people like you would blame the victim. Completely unnecessary remark.
airhead969 6y ago
Rape and racism don't go away because of a social movement.

TomSwirly 6y ago

> This free-for-all free love ethic that you celebrate, Who said that? Why - no one! > every single human society has seen it fit to strictly control sex. A link would be very helpful in proving your dramatic and dubious claim...

TheRealSteel 6y ago

Are you... are you blaming victims for being raped and sexually assaulted? Excuse me?

throwaway8581 6y ago
Nope. Nothing in my post said that.
- TheRealSteel 6y ago
  You said that people not being shamed enough about sex and their bodies leads to people speaking up when they are the victims of sexual violence, and that you view that as a problem.