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Ukraine has democracy, fair elections and also currently at war (hybrid war if you like) with Russia, so I wouldn't put it in that list.

fuoqi 6y ago
"Democracy" in which the president has closed 3 popular TV channels with a single executive order, applies sanctions against leader of the second largest political party, and has tried to pass a clearly unconstitutional law to disband the сonstitutional сourt. "Democracy" in which the main security agency uses far-right nationalist forces to terrorize opponents [0] and fabricates a moronic political case [1] against a blogger who dares to harshly criticize the president and who is a leader of a rising political party. "War with Russia" in which Ukrainian citizens fight against Ukrainian citizens. If you don't trust my word, just look at the lists of the latest prisoner swaps, not a single Russian citizen there. The war which has started with clearly unconstitutional use of military forces against its own citizens and in which the freshly installed government has targeted administrative buildings in the center of Lugansk with no armed rebels in it using a military plane (they have tried to launch a stupid fake about an exploded AC, but recently they have officially confirmed that it was indeed a warplane target). Note that I do not deny Russian involvement in the Ukrainian civil war, but you do not call the Syrian civil war a "Syria-American war", do you? Foreign involvement in civil wars is more of a rule, not an exception. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVbe3vGOm1Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVbe3vGOm1Q [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk2fYkPeWy4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk2fYkPeWy4
- rkantbe 6y ago
  The funny thing is that I'm from Luhansk and you are just parroting russian propaganda, Russia lost control over Ukraine when Yanukovich had run away, and at first annexed Crimea and then started a war in eastern Ukraine, Girkin (Strelkov) himself takes responsibility of starting the war who is russian, but his just a Kremlin's puppet. Anyway, please, stop spreading russian propaganda
  - fuoqi 6y ago
    It's funny that two people has claimed that I spread Russian propaganda, but none of you have even tried to deny the facts presented in my comment. If you are indeed from Luhansk, then you should know that everything I've said is factually true and you simply can not argue against it. >Girkin (Strelkov) himself takes responsibility of starting the war who is russian While he indeed played a big role in the uprising (though I think he tends to oversell his role), the cause was strongly supported by simple folk. (Don't forget about the last line in my previous comment.) The videos from the early stages with simple people blocking unconstitutionally deployed military forces is a good supporting evidence for this statement. You can call them "brainwashed by Russian propaganda" all you want, but it does not change the fact.
    - avmich 6y ago
      > It's funny that two people has claimed that I spread Russian propaganda, but none of you have even tried to deny the facts presented in my comment. I see the following reasons: political discussions can be extremely long, and in any case are frowned upon here, and the chance of finding irrational stubbornness for this subject even here is high. So... we're agreeing to disagree then.
- dandanua 6y ago
  Dude, you're just re-translating what Russian propaganda says on every channel they control 24/7 for years. But you can't overcome the truth no matter how loud you scream. It's the Russia who ruin everything around them to gain power and control. This broken superpower still can't accept its loss and apologize for all evil it has done. It disrespects the world and the truth.
  - fuoqi 6y ago
    >But you can't overcome the truth no matter how loud you scream. Then argue what exactly is not true in my previous comment, not simply yell loudly about me spreading "Russian propaganda". Everything I wrote can be easily verified and fact checked. If you can not do that, then it's you, not me who got blinded by a propaganda machine.
    - dandanua 6y ago
      Your Tsar has already uncovered your tactics https://youtube.com/watch?v=PoQXvPsBBn8 https://youtube.com/watch?v=PoQXvPsBBn8
      - fuoqi 6y ago
        So let's be clear, you are unable to deny that my initial comment contains truth and truth only, correct? As for your comment I haven't seen such pathetic attempt to troll in a while.

fuoqi 6y ago

"Democracy" in which the president has closed 3 popular TV channels with a single executive order, applies sanctions against leader of the second largest political party, and has tried to pass a clearly unconstitutional law to disband the сonstitutional сourt. "Democracy" in which the main security agency uses far-right nationalist forces to terrorize opponents [0] and fabricates a moronic political case [1] against a blogger who dares to harshly criticize the president and who is a leader of a rising political party. "War with Russia" in which Ukrainian citizens fight against Ukrainian citizens. If you don't trust my word, just look at the lists of the latest prisoner swaps, not a single Russian citizen there. The war which has started with clearly unconstitutional use of military forces against its own citizens and in which the freshly installed government has targeted administrative buildings in the center of Lugansk with no armed rebels in it using a military plane (they have tried to launch a stupid fake about an exploded AC, but recently they have officially confirmed that it was indeed a warplane target). Note that I do not deny Russian involvement in the Ukrainian civil war, but you do not call the Syrian civil war a "Syria-American war", do you? Foreign involvement in civil wars is more of a rule, not an exception. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVbe3vGOm1Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVbe3vGOm1Q [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk2fYkPeWy4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk2fYkPeWy4

rkantbe 6y ago
The funny thing is that I'm from Luhansk and you are just parroting russian propaganda, Russia lost control over Ukraine when Yanukovich had run away, and at first annexed Crimea and then started a war in eastern Ukraine, Girkin (Strelkov) himself takes responsibility of starting the war who is russian, but his just a Kremlin's puppet. Anyway, please, stop spreading russian propaganda
- fuoqi 6y ago
  It's funny that two people has claimed that I spread Russian propaganda, but none of you have even tried to deny the facts presented in my comment. If you are indeed from Luhansk, then you should know that everything I've said is factually true and you simply can not argue against it. >Girkin (Strelkov) himself takes responsibility of starting the war who is russian While he indeed played a big role in the uprising (though I think he tends to oversell his role), the cause was strongly supported by simple folk. (Don't forget about the last line in my previous comment.) The videos from the early stages with simple people blocking unconstitutionally deployed military forces is a good supporting evidence for this statement. You can call them "brainwashed by Russian propaganda" all you want, but it does not change the fact.
  - avmich 6y ago
    > It's funny that two people has claimed that I spread Russian propaganda, but none of you have even tried to deny the facts presented in my comment. I see the following reasons: political discussions can be extremely long, and in any case are frowned upon here, and the chance of finding irrational stubbornness for this subject even here is high. So... we're agreeing to disagree then.
dandanua 6y ago
Dude, you're just re-translating what Russian propaganda says on every channel they control 24/7 for years. But you can't overcome the truth no matter how loud you scream. It's the Russia who ruin everything around them to gain power and control. This broken superpower still can't accept its loss and apologize for all evil it has done. It disrespects the world and the truth.
- fuoqi 6y ago
  >But you can't overcome the truth no matter how loud you scream. Then argue what exactly is not true in my previous comment, not simply yell loudly about me spreading "Russian propaganda". Everything I wrote can be easily verified and fact checked. If you can not do that, then it's you, not me who got blinded by a propaganda machine.
  - dandanua 6y ago
    Your Tsar has already uncovered your tactics https://youtube.com/watch?v=PoQXvPsBBn8 https://youtube.com/watch?v=PoQXvPsBBn8
    - fuoqi 6y ago
      So let's be clear, you are unable to deny that my initial comment contains truth and truth only, correct? As for your comment I haven't seen such pathetic attempt to troll in a while.