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Soviets != Russia, yes the USSR was sort of a new iteration of The Russian Empire, but you can't call armenians, ukrainians, georgians and so on russians this s

Soviets != Russia, yes the USSR was sort of a new iteration of The Russian Empire, but you can't call armenians, ukrainians, georgians and so on russians this simply wrong

option 6y ago
There are infinitely less difference between Russians, Ukrainians and Belorussians than, for example, between those Americans who live in California and Texas.
- qaq 6y ago
  There is an armed Russian Ukrainian armed conflict happening right now ...
  - option 6y ago
    purely artificial and fueled by Russian dictatorship. Oh, and there was an “insurrection” in US Capital in case you didn’t notice. The only difference is that the first one has a very strong external support while the second one does not and, luckily, failed quickly.
- rkantbe 6y ago
  Ukraine has democracy, fair elections and also currently at war (hybrid war if you like) with Russia, so I wouldn't put it in that list.
  - fuoqi 6y ago
    "Democracy" in which the president has closed 3 popular TV channels with a single executive order, applies sanctions against leader of the second largest political party, and has tried to pass a clearly unconstitutional law to disband the сonstitutional сourt. "Democracy" in which the main security agency uses far-right nationalist forces to terrorize opponents [0] and fabricates a moronic political case [1] against a blogger who dares to harshly criticize the president and who is a leader of a rising political party. "War with Russia" in which Ukrainian citizens fight against Ukrainian citizens. If you don't trust my word, just look at the lists of the latest prisoner swaps, not a single Russian citizen there. The war which has started with clearly unconstitutional use of military forces against its own citizens and in which the freshly installed government has targeted administrative buildings in the center of Lugansk with no armed rebels in it using a military plane (they have tried to launch a stupid fake about an exploded AC, but recently they have officially confirmed that it was indeed a warplane target). Note that I do not deny Russian involvement in the Ukrainian civil war, but you do not call the Syrian civil war a "Syria-American war", do you? Foreign involvement in civil wars is more of a rule, not an exception. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVbe3vGOm1Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVbe3vGOm1Q [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk2fYkPeWy4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk2fYkPeWy4
    - rkantbe 6y ago
      The funny thing is that I'm from Luhansk and you are just parroting russian propaganda, Russia lost control over Ukraine when Yanukovich had run away, and at first annexed Crimea and then started a war in eastern Ukraine, Girkin (Strelkov) himself takes responsibility of starting the war who is russian, but his just a Kremlin's puppet. Anyway, please, stop spreading russian propaganda
      - fuoqi 6y ago
        It's funny that two people has claimed that I spread Russian propaganda, but none of you have even tried to deny the facts presented in my comment. If you are indeed from Luhansk, then you should know that everything I've said is factually true and you simply can not argue against it. >Girkin (Strelkov) himself takes responsibility of starting the war who is russian While he indeed played a big role in the uprising (though I think he tends to oversell his role), the cause was strongly supported by simple folk. (Don't forget about the last line in my previous comment.) The videos from the early stages with simple people blocking unconstitutionally deployed military forces is a good supporting evidence for this statement. You can call them "brainwashed by Russian propaganda" all you want, but it does not change the fact.
        avmich 6y ago
        > It's funny that two people has claimed that I spread Russian propaganda, but none of you have even tried to deny the facts presented in my comment. I see the following reasons: political discussions can be extremely long, and in any case are frowned upon here, and the chance of finding irrational stubbornness for this subject even here is high. So... we're agreeing to disagree then.
    - dandanua 6y ago
      Dude, you're just re-translating what Russian propaganda says on every channel they control 24/7 for years. But you can't overcome the truth no matter how loud you scream. It's the Russia who ruin everything around them to gain power and control. This broken superpower still can't accept its loss and apologize for all evil it has done. It disrespects the world and the truth.
- HDMI_Cable 6y ago
  Californian and Texan accents might be mutually incomprehensible, but they' re not completely different languages like Ukrainian, Russian, and Belorussian.
  - option 6y ago
    if you know one pf the three russian/ukraininan/belorus languages you will be able to understand 99% of what is said in the other two. Source: I grew up in Ukraine
    - rkantbe 6y ago
      Cool, canadians and australians understand each other quite well too, what's your point?
      - option 6y ago
        my point is that those aren’t completely different languages by any stretch of imagination
        osacial 6y ago
        These languages have similar grammar, because they all have evolved from Old Church Slavonic, but Russian had different path of evolution, where it has gained a lot of Turkic vocabulary among others. I know Russian on native level and have visited friends in Lviv. Sure it is possible for me with Russian language to understand some things and with what I know it would be very easy to LEARN Ukrainian, but I don't live among Ukrainians, so I can't understand 90% of anything when I am watching something on yt when Urainians start to talk in moiva. I think, that there is a bigger chance for Polish people to understand Ukrainians, that for speakers of Russian. It looks like your observation applies to Russians, who are already living in Ukraine and have some grasp of Ukrainian.
        Mediterraneo10 6y ago
        They didn't evolve from Old Church Slavonic. OCS was an artificial South Slavic literary standard based on the language from around Thessaloniki, as spoken by Cyrill and Methodius's mission. Russian, Ukrainian, and Belarusian are East Slavic languages, a different branch of the family. Indeed, they all have a common ancestor in Proto-Slavic, but the relationship of Russian etc. and OCS is one of cousins, not parent-child.
- ulisesrmzroche 6y ago
  Actually, someone from San Francisco would have no trouble in moving to Austin. That same Californian moving to, say, Salinas (that’s in California) would be more of a culture shock

Soviets != Russia, yes the USSR was sort of a new iteration of The Russian Empire, but you can't call armenians, ukrainians, georgians and so on russians this simply wrong

option 6y ago

There are infinitely less difference between Russians, Ukrainians and Belorussians than, for example, between those Americans who live in California and Texas.

qaq 6y ago
There is an armed Russian Ukrainian armed conflict happening right now ...
- option 6y ago
  purely artificial and fueled by Russian dictatorship. Oh, and there was an “insurrection” in US Capital in case you didn’t notice. The only difference is that the first one has a very strong external support while the second one does not and, luckily, failed quickly.
rkantbe 6y ago
Ukraine has democracy, fair elections and also currently at war (hybrid war if you like) with Russia, so I wouldn't put it in that list.
- fuoqi 6y ago
  "Democracy" in which the president has closed 3 popular TV channels with a single executive order, applies sanctions against leader of the second largest political party, and has tried to pass a clearly unconstitutional law to disband the сonstitutional сourt. "Democracy" in which the main security agency uses far-right nationalist forces to terrorize opponents [0] and fabricates a moronic political case [1] against a blogger who dares to harshly criticize the president and who is a leader of a rising political party. "War with Russia" in which Ukrainian citizens fight against Ukrainian citizens. If you don't trust my word, just look at the lists of the latest prisoner swaps, not a single Russian citizen there. The war which has started with clearly unconstitutional use of military forces against its own citizens and in which the freshly installed government has targeted administrative buildings in the center of Lugansk with no armed rebels in it using a military plane (they have tried to launch a stupid fake about an exploded AC, but recently they have officially confirmed that it was indeed a warplane target). Note that I do not deny Russian involvement in the Ukrainian civil war, but you do not call the Syrian civil war a "Syria-American war", do you? Foreign involvement in civil wars is more of a rule, not an exception. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVbe3vGOm1Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVbe3vGOm1Q [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk2fYkPeWy4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk2fYkPeWy4
  - rkantbe 6y ago
    The funny thing is that I'm from Luhansk and you are just parroting russian propaganda, Russia lost control over Ukraine when Yanukovich had run away, and at first annexed Crimea and then started a war in eastern Ukraine, Girkin (Strelkov) himself takes responsibility of starting the war who is russian, but his just a Kremlin's puppet. Anyway, please, stop spreading russian propaganda
    - fuoqi 6y ago
      It's funny that two people has claimed that I spread Russian propaganda, but none of you have even tried to deny the facts presented in my comment. If you are indeed from Luhansk, then you should know that everything I've said is factually true and you simply can not argue against it. >Girkin (Strelkov) himself takes responsibility of starting the war who is russian While he indeed played a big role in the uprising (though I think he tends to oversell his role), the cause was strongly supported by simple folk. (Don't forget about the last line in my previous comment.) The videos from the early stages with simple people blocking unconstitutionally deployed military forces is a good supporting evidence for this statement. You can call them "brainwashed by Russian propaganda" all you want, but it does not change the fact.
      - avmich 6y ago
        > It's funny that two people has claimed that I spread Russian propaganda, but none of you have even tried to deny the facts presented in my comment. I see the following reasons: political discussions can be extremely long, and in any case are frowned upon here, and the chance of finding irrational stubbornness for this subject even here is high. So... we're agreeing to disagree then.
  - dandanua 6y ago
    Dude, you're just re-translating what Russian propaganda says on every channel they control 24/7 for years. But you can't overcome the truth no matter how loud you scream. It's the Russia who ruin everything around them to gain power and control. This broken superpower still can't accept its loss and apologize for all evil it has done. It disrespects the world and the truth.
HDMI_Cable 6y ago
Californian and Texan accents might be mutually incomprehensible, but they' re not completely different languages like Ukrainian, Russian, and Belorussian.
- option 6y ago
  if you know one pf the three russian/ukraininan/belorus languages you will be able to understand 99% of what is said in the other two. Source: I grew up in Ukraine
  - rkantbe 6y ago
    Cool, canadians and australians understand each other quite well too, what's your point?
    - option 6y ago
      my point is that those aren’t completely different languages by any stretch of imagination
      - osacial 6y ago
        These languages have similar grammar, because they all have evolved from Old Church Slavonic, but Russian had different path of evolution, where it has gained a lot of Turkic vocabulary among others. I know Russian on native level and have visited friends in Lviv. Sure it is possible for me with Russian language to understand some things and with what I know it would be very easy to LEARN Ukrainian, but I don't live among Ukrainians, so I can't understand 90% of anything when I am watching something on yt when Urainians start to talk in moiva. I think, that there is a bigger chance for Polish people to understand Ukrainians, that for speakers of Russian. It looks like your observation applies to Russians, who are already living in Ukraine and have some grasp of Ukrainian.
        Mediterraneo10 6y ago
        They didn't evolve from Old Church Slavonic. OCS was an artificial South Slavic literary standard based on the language from around Thessaloniki, as spoken by Cyrill and Methodius's mission. Russian, Ukrainian, and Belarusian are East Slavic languages, a different branch of the family. Indeed, they all have a common ancestor in Proto-Slavic, but the relationship of Russian etc. and OCS is one of cousins, not parent-child.
ulisesrmzroche 6y ago
Actually, someone from San Francisco would have no trouble in moving to Austin. That same Californian moving to, say, Salinas (that’s in California) would be more of a culture shock