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> BankID doesn't store any information I work with systems that use BankID identification, and know for a fact that you are wrong, because many (though not all

> BankID doesn't store any information I work with systems that use BankID identification, and know for a fact that you are wrong, because many (though not all) of the data-points collected by the banks can be retrieved for payment. For instance, if you just logged-in with the service I work with, I can retrieve your full-name, birthdate, your marital status, name of your spouse, their birthdate, any children and their IDs and names, where you live, your home and cellphone number, and many many other data points. From a service owned by a small group of private banks.

nickez 6y ago
That is all public data. You can get that through open channels like birthday.se as well. I've been at BankID and I know for a fact exactly what information they store. They store only what is necessary from a regulatory standpoint.
- caskstrength 6y ago
  Are personal mobile phone numbers considered public information in Sweden?
  - viceroyalbean 6y ago
    You can get a phone number without registering it to your name, but otherwise yes. Most people's phone numbers can be found online, as well as reverse (find someone's name by phone number) .
- croes 6y ago
  A paradise for identity theft
  - kalleboo 6y ago
    Requiring strong ID verification (from government ID or the digital ID we're discussing) helps protect against identity theft. Other countries I've lived in that use very weak forms of ID ("a utility bill in your name") seem like much bigger paradises for identity theft.
    - croes 6y ago
      I'm talking about cross border identity theft. The public data of swedish citizens is sufficent for weaker identity systems in other countries.
  - 2rsf 6y ago
    Practically identity theft the way you think about are very rare in Sweden, more common are social engineering attempts like calling people and asking them to use their MobilBank ID while the caller logs in in their name. Remember that personal ID numbers are not a big secret in Sweden as well, and still we don't see any big problem with that.
dagw 6y ago
But surely if someone has your person number then they can retrieve all that information from companies like Ratsit and the like. Is there specific information you can get via BankID that isn't generally available from other 'open' databases?
- 2rsf 6y ago
  What information do you think about? you can get a person's yearly tax statement without BankID but you can't see their bank account details
kalleboo 6y ago
> your full-name, birthdate, your marital status, name of your spouse, their birthdate, any children and their IDs and names, where you live, your home and cellphone number, and many many other data points Those things have nothing to do with BankID and everything to do with the government person-number database. They were available as open data before BankID existed

nickez 6y ago

That is all public data. You can get that through open channels like birthday.se as well. I've been at BankID and I know for a fact exactly what information they store. They store only what is necessary from a regulatory standpoint.

caskstrength 6y ago
Are personal mobile phone numbers considered public information in Sweden?
- viceroyalbean 6y ago
  You can get a phone number without registering it to your name, but otherwise yes. Most people's phone numbers can be found online, as well as reverse (find someone's name by phone number) .
croes 6y ago
A paradise for identity theft
- kalleboo 6y ago
  Requiring strong ID verification (from government ID or the digital ID we're discussing) helps protect against identity theft. Other countries I've lived in that use very weak forms of ID ("a utility bill in your name") seem like much bigger paradises for identity theft.
  - croes 6y ago
    I'm talking about cross border identity theft. The public data of swedish citizens is sufficent for weaker identity systems in other countries.
- 2rsf 6y ago
  Practically identity theft the way you think about are very rare in Sweden, more common are social engineering attempts like calling people and asking them to use their MobilBank ID while the caller logs in in their name. Remember that personal ID numbers are not a big secret in Sweden as well, and still we don't see any big problem with that.

dagw 6y ago

But surely if someone has your person number then they can retrieve all that information from companies like Ratsit and the like. Is there specific information you can get via BankID that isn't generally available from other 'open' databases?

2rsf 6y ago
What information do you think about? you can get a person's yearly tax statement without BankID but you can't see their bank account details

kalleboo 6y ago

> your full-name, birthdate, your marital status, name of your spouse, their birthdate, any children and their IDs and names, where you live, your home and cellphone number, and many many other data points Those things have nothing to do with BankID and everything to do with the government person-number database. They were available as open data before BankID existed