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>When trying to compete with an established product you gotta offering something more at some price less... Like the iPhone and it's $600 starting price?

WiseWeasel 15y ago
Apple created the market for touch-friendly pocket computers. There were no established products in that market.
- dman 15y ago
  Yes the Newton was a great product.
  - WiseWeasel 15y ago
    Newton was stylus-driven.
    - dman 15y ago
      I didnt get the memo which stipulated that you need to use fingers for it to be classified as touch based.
      - podperson 15y ago
        Maybe mouse-driven computers should be considered touch-based too?
        dman 15y ago
        I believe an interface is touch based if you use an object to touch the screen to interact with the interface. Mice do not have this property. Given the downvotes I imagine people at HN disagree with this notion, but here are some links that suggest that there is a part of the world which considers stylus based devices as touch based. [1] http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/TouchSystems/TouchScreen/Information/Media/PressReleases/?PC_7_RJH9U5230GE3E02LECFTDQG0U7_assetId=1273678744381 http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/TouchSystems/Tou... [2] http://www.pdapanache.com/stylusfaq.asp http://www.pdapanache.com/stylusfaq.asp [3] http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=354774&dl=ACM&coll=DL&CFID=28130026&CFTOKEN=29744814 http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=354774&dl=ACM&...
        podperson 15y ago
        Not only are you wrong, but your links are to vendors of pens that emulate touch. The vendors aren't arguing that "style = touch" but that "our stylus works on touchscreens" (as opposed to styluses that work on pen-based systems). The fundamental idea of the iPad is that you don't need something else to make it work. It isn't that you mustn't use something else.
        dman 15y ago
        The third link was not from a vendor. Here are some non vendor links: [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_interface http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_interface - "Touchscreens are displays that accept input by touch of fingers or a stylus. Used in a growing amount of mobile devices and many types of point of sale, industrial processes and machines, self-service machines etc." [2] http://www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia_term/0,2542,t=touch+screen&i=53016,00.asp http://www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia_term/0,2542,t=touch+screen... - "A display screen that is sensitive to the touch of a finger or stylus."
        podperson 15y ago
        Why not quote Wikipedia's article on "Touch Screen": "A touchscreen is an electronic visual display that can detect the presence and location of a touch within the display area. The term generally refers to touching the display of the device with a finger or hand. Touchscreens can also sense other passive objects, such as a stylus." Oh wait, because it doesn't suit your purposes either.

WiseWeasel 15y ago

Apple created the market for touch-friendly pocket computers. There were no established products in that market.

dman 15y ago
Yes the Newton was a great product.
- WiseWeasel 15y ago
  Newton was stylus-driven.
  - dman 15y ago
    I didnt get the memo which stipulated that you need to use fingers for it to be classified as touch based.
    - podperson 15y ago
      Maybe mouse-driven computers should be considered touch-based too?
      - dman 15y ago
        I believe an interface is touch based if you use an object to touch the screen to interact with the interface. Mice do not have this property. Given the downvotes I imagine people at HN disagree with this notion, but here are some links that suggest that there is a part of the world which considers stylus based devices as touch based. [1] http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/TouchSystems/TouchScreen/Information/Media/PressReleases/?PC_7_RJH9U5230GE3E02LECFTDQG0U7_assetId=1273678744381 http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/TouchSystems/Tou... [2] http://www.pdapanache.com/stylusfaq.asp http://www.pdapanache.com/stylusfaq.asp [3] http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=354774&dl=ACM&coll=DL&CFID=28130026&CFTOKEN=29744814 http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=354774&dl=ACM&...
        podperson 15y ago
        Not only are you wrong, but your links are to vendors of pens that emulate touch. The vendors aren't arguing that "style = touch" but that "our stylus works on touchscreens" (as opposed to styluses that work on pen-based systems). The fundamental idea of the iPad is that you don't need something else to make it work. It isn't that you mustn't use something else.
        dman 15y ago
        The third link was not from a vendor. Here are some non vendor links: [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_interface http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_interface - "Touchscreens are displays that accept input by touch of fingers or a stylus. Used in a growing amount of mobile devices and many types of point of sale, industrial processes and machines, self-service machines etc." [2] http://www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia_term/0,2542,t=touch+screen&i=53016,00.asp http://www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia_term/0,2542,t=touch+screen... - "A display screen that is sensitive to the touch of a finger or stylus."
        podperson 15y ago
        Why not quote Wikipedia's article on "Touch Screen": "A touchscreen is an electronic visual display that can detect the presence and location of a touch within the display area. The term generally refers to touching the display of the device with a finger or hand. Touchscreens can also sense other passive objects, such as a stylus." Oh wait, because it doesn't suit your purposes either.