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I guarantee you have broken some laws, even if unwittingly. So you are not a law-abiding citizen, ergo cops can kill you with impunity. Still OK with that?

splaytreemap 6y ago
That doesn't happen which is the point. If it did, the cops would get fired. Pretty much the only time cops kill somebody is when they're resisting arrest after committing a serious crime. All of the high profile police-involved deaths from the last year fit this description: George Floyd - resisting arrest after committing a DUI, died of fentanyl overdose not police action (confirmed by autopsy + bodycam footage showing him claiming an inability to breathe even before police had started to restrain him). Rayshard Brooks - DUI, discharged a weapon at a police officer while resisting arrest. Breonna Taylor - caught in the crossfire after her drug dealer boyfriend opened fire on the police while executing a lawfully obtained warrant.
- Judgmentality 6y ago
  > If it did, the cops would get fired. This is just willful ignorance. The entire problem with police is the lack of accountability. They don't get fired even when they commit murder, let alone go to jail. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/06/12/i-used-be-police-chief-this-is-why-its-so-hard-fire-bad-cops/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/06/12/i-used-be... Please look at the data, because you are wildly misinformed.
- haswell 6y ago
  What is the ultimate point you're trying to make? It sounds like you're trying to defend the actions of the police in these cases, but it's not clear what you're trying to accomplish by doing so. Your version of these events are extremely charitable to the police, and ignore just how badly each situation was botched by law enforcement. > Breonna Taylor - caught in the crossfire after her drug dealer boyfriend opened fire on the police while executing a lawfully obtained warrant. This is the last straw with this comment. The police blindly fired rounds into an apartment and killed an innocent woman. The lawfulness of the warrant and the status of her boyfriend have nothing to do with why people are furious or why the raid was unacceptable. If you find these actions by the police acceptable, I recommend a period of deep introspection and self-reflection. Ask yourself if this is truly the side of this issue you want to align yourself with.
  - Judgmentality 6y ago
    I think a much better question is, if the police raided your house and it turned out they had a warrant, would you be okay with it? Not to mention the police will take evidence and never return it. They will never reimburse you for the damages (sometimes this will even include medical bills that the police themselves are responsible for causing). And they will sometimes press fake charges in order to pressure you against going public against the police. Oh, and if they accidentally kill your dog? You'll be lucky if they even apologize. https://puppycidedb.com/ https://puppycidedb.com/
- throw32993 6y ago
  Wow you are really ignorant. Two autopsies ruled George Floyd's death as homicide. Also one can see the video of the killing (Warning!! NSFW/NSFL) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn2idiz2GEI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn2idiz2GEI
- alphabettsy 6y ago
  Her boyfriend was a drug dealer? You’re telling me what the officer did to George Floyd was ok? That’s what it sounds like.
dang 6y ago
"Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize." "Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead." "Eschew flamebait. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html The GP comment was egregious flamebait and shouldn't have been posted, but by the above three guidelines, this reply shouldn't have been posted either.
- grey-area 6y ago
  I'm unsure what would happen if I flag something nowadays, and whether it'll mean another shadow vote ban, so I tend just to comment - my opinions are congruent with the mods in this case, but not always. Unfortunately leaving comments like this unchallenged (as it was at the time) also has an impact on the tone of the site. Sorry for the lowering the tone by responding to this, I do agree it's a somewhat pointless tangent.

splaytreemap 6y ago

That doesn't happen which is the point. If it did, the cops would get fired. Pretty much the only time cops kill somebody is when they're resisting arrest after committing a serious crime. All of the high profile police-involved deaths from the last year fit this description: George Floyd - resisting arrest after committing a DUI, died of fentanyl overdose not police action (confirmed by autopsy + bodycam footage showing him claiming an inability to breathe even before police had started to restrain him). Rayshard Brooks - DUI, discharged a weapon at a police officer while resisting arrest. Breonna Taylor - caught in the crossfire after her drug dealer boyfriend opened fire on the police while executing a lawfully obtained warrant.

Judgmentality 6y ago
> If it did, the cops would get fired. This is just willful ignorance. The entire problem with police is the lack of accountability. They don't get fired even when they commit murder, let alone go to jail. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/06/12/i-used-be-police-chief-this-is-why-its-so-hard-fire-bad-cops/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/06/12/i-used-be... Please look at the data, because you are wildly misinformed.
haswell 6y ago
What is the ultimate point you're trying to make? It sounds like you're trying to defend the actions of the police in these cases, but it's not clear what you're trying to accomplish by doing so. Your version of these events are extremely charitable to the police, and ignore just how badly each situation was botched by law enforcement. > Breonna Taylor - caught in the crossfire after her drug dealer boyfriend opened fire on the police while executing a lawfully obtained warrant. This is the last straw with this comment. The police blindly fired rounds into an apartment and killed an innocent woman. The lawfulness of the warrant and the status of her boyfriend have nothing to do with why people are furious or why the raid was unacceptable. If you find these actions by the police acceptable, I recommend a period of deep introspection and self-reflection. Ask yourself if this is truly the side of this issue you want to align yourself with.
- Judgmentality 6y ago
  I think a much better question is, if the police raided your house and it turned out they had a warrant, would you be okay with it? Not to mention the police will take evidence and never return it. They will never reimburse you for the damages (sometimes this will even include medical bills that the police themselves are responsible for causing). And they will sometimes press fake charges in order to pressure you against going public against the police. Oh, and if they accidentally kill your dog? You'll be lucky if they even apologize. https://puppycidedb.com/ https://puppycidedb.com/
throw32993 6y ago
Wow you are really ignorant. Two autopsies ruled George Floyd's death as homicide. Also one can see the video of the killing (Warning!! NSFW/NSFL) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn2idiz2GEI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn2idiz2GEI
alphabettsy 6y ago
Her boyfriend was a drug dealer? You’re telling me what the officer did to George Floyd was ok? That’s what it sounds like.

dang 6y ago

"Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize." "Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead." "Eschew flamebait. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html The GP comment was egregious flamebait and shouldn't have been posted, but by the above three guidelines, this reply shouldn't have been posted either.

grey-area 6y ago
I'm unsure what would happen if I flag something nowadays, and whether it'll mean another shadow vote ban, so I tend just to comment - my opinions are congruent with the mods in this case, but not always. Unfortunately leaving comments like this unchallenged (as it was at the time) also has an impact on the tone of the site. Sorry for the lowering the tone by responding to this, I do agree it's a somewhat pointless tangent.