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> I wonder if the refugee crisis would have happened at all Pretty sure the main issue, the fact that people needed to leave their homes and countries, would s

> I wonder if the refugee crisis would have happened at all Pretty sure the main issue, the fact that people needed to leave their homes and countries, would still have happened.

wirrbel 6y ago
It amazes me how people buy into the right-wing narrative about politicians having invited refugees to Europe, when in fact, the EU is trying hard to keep them from entering in the first place. What might have prevented the refugee crisis might have been if the middle-east region had not been destabilised in the previous decades. And part of that destabilisation is due to the US Republican party pushing for an invasion in Iraq.
- swayvil 6y ago
  People believe whatever is shouted loudest and longest. That's physics. It's inevitable.
- eznzt 6y ago
  > It amazes me how people buy into the right-wing narrative about politicians having invited refugees to Europe, when in fact, the EU is trying hard to keep them from entering in the first place. Have they tried, I don't know, mounted machine guns? Might sound like a joke, but what other options do you have when hordes of young, able-bodied males are invading your country?
  - dang 6y ago
    You can't do this here.
- matthewmacleod 6y ago
  Drives me up the fucking wall. Spend years bombing the shit out of countries and selling arms to despots, then having the gall to complain when refugees from the situation you encouraged turn up on your doorstep. You solve the “refugee crisis” by fostering peace and prosperity in countries that don’t have it, not by spreading lies about it.
  - MikeUt 6y ago
    It was the US that pushed for and did (is doing?) most of the bombing, and Europe that got hit with refugees. But even if it were the same country, it's not the same people - the wars were pushed from the top [1], the resistance to immigrants from the bottom ("populism"). [1] https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/feb/27/bush-administration-sold-iraq-war https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/feb/27/bush-a...
    - emteycz 6y ago
      You really need to update your knowledge of history. Look at Belgian, French, Dutch and British colonial empires. Especially the Belgian one and its brutality might interest you. And the British one was active in Middle East waaaay before America.
      - MikeUt 6y ago
        It's the colonial empires that caused the refugee crisis? I thought it was the much more recent bombings. But if it was the colonial empires, how come Turkey faced no refugee crisis from their colonies in south-eastern Europe [1,2]? How come the refugee crisis was now, and not at the height of those colonial empires you blame? You see colonialism when it suits you, and are blind to it when it doesn't. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_genocide [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_the_Thracian_Bulgarians_in_1913 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_the_Thracian_Bu...
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  - PoignardAzur 6y ago
    > You solve the “refugee crisis” by fostering peace and prosperity in countries that don’t have it, not by spreading lies about it. That's really not an actionable goal. Fostering war and misery is really easy, you just have to bomb some places. Fostering peace and prosperity isn't something you can actively do. Even if you refrain from participating in abroad wars, they still happen. People still rise up against governments they don't like, the governments still violently crush uprisings, etc. The only difference if you get to say it's not your fault.

> I wonder if the refugee crisis would have happened at all Pretty sure the main issue, the fact that people needed to leave their homes and countries, would still have happened.

wirrbel 6y ago

It amazes me how people buy into the right-wing narrative about politicians having invited refugees to Europe, when in fact, the EU is trying hard to keep them from entering in the first place. What might have prevented the refugee crisis might have been if the middle-east region had not been destabilised in the previous decades. And part of that destabilisation is due to the US Republican party pushing for an invasion in Iraq.

swayvil 6y ago
People believe whatever is shouted loudest and longest. That's physics. It's inevitable.
eznzt 6y ago
> It amazes me how people buy into the right-wing narrative about politicians having invited refugees to Europe, when in fact, the EU is trying hard to keep them from entering in the first place. Have they tried, I don't know, mounted machine guns? Might sound like a joke, but what other options do you have when hordes of young, able-bodied males are invading your country?
- dang 6y ago
  You can't do this here.
matthewmacleod 6y ago
Drives me up the fucking wall. Spend years bombing the shit out of countries and selling arms to despots, then having the gall to complain when refugees from the situation you encouraged turn up on your doorstep. You solve the “refugee crisis” by fostering peace and prosperity in countries that don’t have it, not by spreading lies about it.
- MikeUt 6y ago
  It was the US that pushed for and did (is doing?) most of the bombing, and Europe that got hit with refugees. But even if it were the same country, it's not the same people - the wars were pushed from the top [1], the resistance to immigrants from the bottom ("populism"). [1] https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/feb/27/bush-administration-sold-iraq-war https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/feb/27/bush-a...
  - emteycz 6y ago
    You really need to update your knowledge of history. Look at Belgian, French, Dutch and British colonial empires. Especially the Belgian one and its brutality might interest you. And the British one was active in Middle East waaaay before America.
    - MikeUt 6y ago
      It's the colonial empires that caused the refugee crisis? I thought it was the much more recent bombings. But if it was the colonial empires, how come Turkey faced no refugee crisis from their colonies in south-eastern Europe [1,2]? How come the refugee crisis was now, and not at the height of those colonial empires you blame? You see colonialism when it suits you, and are blind to it when it doesn't. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_genocide [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_the_Thracian_Bulgarians_in_1913 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_the_Thracian_Bu...
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- PoignardAzur 6y ago
  > You solve the “refugee crisis” by fostering peace and prosperity in countries that don’t have it, not by spreading lies about it. That's really not an actionable goal. Fostering war and misery is really easy, you just have to bomb some places. Fostering peace and prosperity isn't something you can actively do. Even if you refrain from participating in abroad wars, they still happen. People still rise up against governments they don't like, the governments still violently crush uprisings, etc. The only difference if you get to say it's not your fault.