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So, a cop was fired in Oklahoma for citing a 3-year old with a $2500 fine for public urination. Sounds kinda harsh given that you can't get cops fired even for

by sanp 6y ago

So, a cop was fired in Oklahoma for citing a 3-year old with a $2500 fine for public urination. Sounds kinda harsh given that you can't get cops fired even for killing unarmed law-abiding civilians. Wonder what happened there (did he piss off the wrong people?).

david38 6y ago
It’s because the target was a three year old. Also, your comparison is way off. Not all police departments are the same. Unarmed doesn’t mean “not a threat” or “can in no way be a threat”. I can simply approach you in an angry manner and be a threat. Does it justify death? No, but a three year old?
- wombatmobile 6y ago
  > Unarmed doesn’t mean “not a threat” How much of a threat are the "unarmed law-abiding civilians" in the comment you replied to?
- Daho0n 6y ago
  An officer from a well functioning and well trained policeforce would not even shoot to kill a knife wielding attacker. They would at most first shoot a warning shot and then maybe a single shot in the leg if they couldn't stop him with pepperspray or a tazer. An unarmed civilian is most definitely not a threat in any way to a real cop (US police doesn't count as a real cop. They are an embarrassment to police everywhere.)
  - Bancakes 6y ago
    Warning shots, single shots to the leg, and all less lethal short of 40mm grenade to the head/neck has proven wildly inconsistent at stopping an attacker. Remember the Tueller drill, there is no time for reaction, only action - that means to shoot until the aggressor is incapacitated. This is the time proven way of preventing dead or injured police officers (and civilians!). It's just that police in Europe and Asia don't really face dangerous and determined criminals.
    - Daho0n 6y ago
      >It's just that police in Europe and Asia don't really face dangerous and determined criminals. That's just laughable. People in the US are not more dangerous than people in Europe or Asia. Lots of dangerous individuals get stopped by police without killing them with 41 bullets. What is more dangerous is the police's behaviour, behaving like an occupying force. US police would also rather kill someone trying to escape from s minor offence than let them get away. Different way of thinking. One values lives above killcount.
      - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
        People in the US are far more likely to be armed than people in Europe or Asia. That in fact makes them more dangerous.
splaytreemap 6y ago
Cops almost never kill law-abiding citizens in the line of duty, so I doubt you'll be able to find much evidence supporting this claim. And no, you're not a law-abiding citizen if you die resisting arrest after committing a DUI.
- grey-area 6y ago
  I guarantee you have broken some laws, even if unwittingly. So you are not a law-abiding citizen, ergo cops can kill you with impunity. Still OK with that?
  - splaytreemap 6y ago
    That doesn't happen which is the point. If it did, the cops would get fired. Pretty much the only time cops kill somebody is when they're resisting arrest after committing a serious crime. All of the high profile police-involved deaths from the last year fit this description: George Floyd - resisting arrest after committing a DUI, died of fentanyl overdose not police action (confirmed by autopsy + bodycam footage showing him claiming an inability to breathe even before police had started to restrain him). Rayshard Brooks - DUI, discharged a weapon at a police officer while resisting arrest. Breonna Taylor - caught in the crossfire after her drug dealer boyfriend opened fire on the police while executing a lawfully obtained warrant.
    - Judgmentality 6y ago
      > If it did, the cops would get fired. This is just willful ignorance. The entire problem with police is the lack of accountability. They don't get fired even when they commit murder, let alone go to jail. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/06/12/i-used-be-police-chief-this-is-why-its-so-hard-fire-bad-cops/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/06/12/i-used-be... Please look at the data, because you are wildly misinformed.
    - haswell 6y ago
      What is the ultimate point you're trying to make? It sounds like you're trying to defend the actions of the police in these cases, but it's not clear what you're trying to accomplish by doing so. Your version of these events are extremely charitable to the police, and ignore just how badly each situation was botched by law enforcement. > Breonna Taylor - caught in the crossfire after her drug dealer boyfriend opened fire on the police while executing a lawfully obtained warrant. This is the last straw with this comment. The police blindly fired rounds into an apartment and killed an innocent woman. The lawfulness of the warrant and the status of her boyfriend have nothing to do with why people are furious or why the raid was unacceptable. If you find these actions by the police acceptable, I recommend a period of deep introspection and self-reflection. Ask yourself if this is truly the side of this issue you want to align yourself with.
cgrealy 6y ago
Were the child and his parents white by any chance?

by sanp 6y ago

david38 6y ago

It’s because the target was a three year old. Also, your comparison is way off. Not all police departments are the same. Unarmed doesn’t mean “not a threat” or “can in no way be a threat”. I can simply approach you in an angry manner and be a threat. Does it justify death? No, but a three year old?

wombatmobile 6y ago
> Unarmed doesn’t mean “not a threat” How much of a threat are the "unarmed law-abiding civilians" in the comment you replied to?
Daho0n 6y ago
An officer from a well functioning and well trained policeforce would not even shoot to kill a knife wielding attacker. They would at most first shoot a warning shot and then maybe a single shot in the leg if they couldn't stop him with pepperspray or a tazer. An unarmed civilian is most definitely not a threat in any way to a real cop (US police doesn't count as a real cop. They are an embarrassment to police everywhere.)
- Bancakes 6y ago
  Warning shots, single shots to the leg, and all less lethal short of 40mm grenade to the head/neck has proven wildly inconsistent at stopping an attacker. Remember the Tueller drill, there is no time for reaction, only action - that means to shoot until the aggressor is incapacitated. This is the time proven way of preventing dead or injured police officers (and civilians!). It's just that police in Europe and Asia don't really face dangerous and determined criminals.
  - Daho0n 6y ago
    >It's just that police in Europe and Asia don't really face dangerous and determined criminals. That's just laughable. People in the US are not more dangerous than people in Europe or Asia. Lots of dangerous individuals get stopped by police without killing them with 41 bullets. What is more dangerous is the police's behaviour, behaving like an occupying force. US police would also rather kill someone trying to escape from s minor offence than let them get away. Different way of thinking. One values lives above killcount.
    - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
      People in the US are far more likely to be armed than people in Europe or Asia. That in fact makes them more dangerous.

splaytreemap 6y ago

Cops almost never kill law-abiding citizens in the line of duty, so I doubt you'll be able to find much evidence supporting this claim. And no, you're not a law-abiding citizen if you die resisting arrest after committing a DUI.

grey-area 6y ago
I guarantee you have broken some laws, even if unwittingly. So you are not a law-abiding citizen, ergo cops can kill you with impunity. Still OK with that?
- splaytreemap 6y ago
  That doesn't happen which is the point. If it did, the cops would get fired. Pretty much the only time cops kill somebody is when they're resisting arrest after committing a serious crime. All of the high profile police-involved deaths from the last year fit this description: George Floyd - resisting arrest after committing a DUI, died of fentanyl overdose not police action (confirmed by autopsy + bodycam footage showing him claiming an inability to breathe even before police had started to restrain him). Rayshard Brooks - DUI, discharged a weapon at a police officer while resisting arrest. Breonna Taylor - caught in the crossfire after her drug dealer boyfriend opened fire on the police while executing a lawfully obtained warrant.
  - Judgmentality 6y ago
    > If it did, the cops would get fired. This is just willful ignorance. The entire problem with police is the lack of accountability. They don't get fired even when they commit murder, let alone go to jail. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/06/12/i-used-be-police-chief-this-is-why-its-so-hard-fire-bad-cops/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/06/12/i-used-be... Please look at the data, because you are wildly misinformed.
  - haswell 6y ago
    What is the ultimate point you're trying to make? It sounds like you're trying to defend the actions of the police in these cases, but it's not clear what you're trying to accomplish by doing so. Your version of these events are extremely charitable to the police, and ignore just how badly each situation was botched by law enforcement. > Breonna Taylor - caught in the crossfire after her drug dealer boyfriend opened fire on the police while executing a lawfully obtained warrant. This is the last straw with this comment. The police blindly fired rounds into an apartment and killed an innocent woman. The lawfulness of the warrant and the status of her boyfriend have nothing to do with why people are furious or why the raid was unacceptable. If you find these actions by the police acceptable, I recommend a period of deep introspection and self-reflection. Ask yourself if this is truly the side of this issue you want to align yourself with.

cgrealy 6y ago

Were the child and his parents white by any chance?