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In theory I agree, but Canonical really seem to do it over and over. Whether it's NIH or something else, it seems every time technology starts shifting, Ubuntu

by axaxs 6y ago

In theory I agree, but Canonical really seem to do it over and over. Whether it's NIH or something else, it seems every time technology starts shifting, Ubuntu goes its own way only to drop it a year or two later. Unity/compiz, Mir , Ubuntu One, Upstart, Bazaar. And currently baking are Snaps and LXD. This isn't to say any of these are bad products, but it has real effects to the end user, who invest time in something that just seems to get vaporized.

scaladev 6y ago
Don't forget that snaps came almost a year before flatpak. This is being parroted all over HN and still many don't know it and blame Canonical for reinventing the wheel, which is why I'm posting this. (I agree with your general idea and the rest of your comment.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snap_(package_manager) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snap_(package_manager) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatpak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatpak
- the_why_of_y 6y ago
  Don't forget that FlatPak has been designed out in the open and plans were presented as far back as GUADEC 2013. https://www.superlectures.com/guadec2013/sandboxed-applications-for-gnome https://www.superlectures.com/guadec2013/sandboxed-applicati...
jamesponddotco 6y ago
What is wrong with LXD? It provides a nice REST API and better user experience for those of us who like LXC.
snicker7 6y ago
Bazaar and snaps came before git and flatpak. Unity came about with the Gnome 2 to 3 transition (and earlier versions of Gnome 3 were widely agreed to be a step backwards). Upstart has a very different design philosophy than systemd. Hard to say its NIH when it was different tech. NIH apparently means "not adopting whatever RedHat develops/supports".
- axaxs 6y ago
  Bzr and Git started at about the same time, but Git moved much faster and its 1.0 was way before bzr(not that that matters much, honestly). Flatpak was known about and talked about before snaps, as another pointed out. Upstart - that's fair, upstart was something new that didn't get replaced by systemd for a couple cycles. Like it or not, Red Hat controls gnome which is a huge ecosystem. Your best bet for effecting change there is collaboration, not hacking together your own UI for yourself. I mean, sure they are free to do that, but the writing was on the wall before it even started.

by axaxs 6y ago

scaladev 6y ago

Don't forget that snaps came almost a year before flatpak. This is being parroted all over HN and still many don't know it and blame Canonical for reinventing the wheel, which is why I'm posting this. (I agree with your general idea and the rest of your comment.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snap_(package_manager) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snap_(package_manager) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatpak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatpak

the_why_of_y 6y ago
Don't forget that FlatPak has been designed out in the open and plans were presented as far back as GUADEC 2013. https://www.superlectures.com/guadec2013/sandboxed-applications-for-gnome https://www.superlectures.com/guadec2013/sandboxed-applicati...

jamesponddotco 6y ago

What is wrong with LXD? It provides a nice REST API and better user experience for those of us who like LXC.

snicker7 6y ago

Bazaar and snaps came before git and flatpak. Unity came about with the Gnome 2 to 3 transition (and earlier versions of Gnome 3 were widely agreed to be a step backwards). Upstart has a very different design philosophy than systemd. Hard to say its NIH when it was different tech. NIH apparently means "not adopting whatever RedHat develops/supports".

axaxs 6y ago
Bzr and Git started at about the same time, but Git moved much faster and its 1.0 was way before bzr(not that that matters much, honestly). Flatpak was known about and talked about before snaps, as another pointed out. Upstart - that's fair, upstart was something new that didn't get replaced by systemd for a couple cycles. Like it or not, Red Hat controls gnome which is a huge ecosystem. Your best bet for effecting change there is collaboration, not hacking together your own UI for yourself. I mean, sure they are free to do that, but the writing was on the wall before it even started.