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I guess that makes Dart a less dead language than it used to be, but from what I can tell there’s almost no momentum around Dart at all. Basing your future app

I guess that makes Dart a less dead language than it used to be, but from what I can tell there’s almost no momentum around Dart at all. Basing your future applications on a language which seemingly is already slipping into its coffin (even discounting the regular Google discontinuing thing), seems like a really weird choice.

darkwater 6y ago
How many 100% Canonical applications are there in an Ubuntu install? The installer and... maybe the repository management UI? I mean, it's clearly an announcement to make Google happy and try to help giving Flutter some momentum but hardly a defining decision for Ubuntu as a desktop.
CodeArtisan 6y ago
Since the releases of Flutter and Fuschia, the development of Dart went tenfolds. Devs post performance improvement reports from time to time. https://medium.com/flutter/flutter-performance-updates-in-the-first-half-of-2020-5c597168b6bb https://medium.com/flutter/flutter-performance-updates-in-th... https://medium.com/flutter/flutter-performance-updates-in-2019-4c170934f914 https://medium.com/flutter/flutter-performance-updates-in-20...
mhoad 6y ago
I don’t know if this will continue to be true forever. Dart is actually an awesome language to work with generally and is only continuing to get better. I think it has HUGE potential on the server side but there is a chicken and egg problem there at the moment where there don’t appear to be any actively maintained frameworks, even some basic things like ORMs and dependency injection frameworks are few and far between still.
- josteink 6y ago
  > Dart is actually an awesome language to work with generally and is only continuing to get better Not to kill your enthusiasm, but that can be said for almost any new language. > I think it has HUGE potential on the server side but there is a chicken and egg problem there at the moment where there don’t appear to be any actively maintained frameworks Which is why an active and vibrant ecosystem around the language increasingly is more important than the language itself. Just look at Go. A terribly, inexpressive language where the common solution is to write code-generators. But it has an ecosystem and the stuff people need. So people use it to write more software and more Go-libraries, reinforcing the platform-effect.

darkwater 6y ago

How many 100% Canonical applications are there in an Ubuntu install? The installer and... maybe the repository management UI? I mean, it's clearly an announcement to make Google happy and try to help giving Flutter some momentum but hardly a defining decision for Ubuntu as a desktop.

CodeArtisan 6y ago

Since the releases of Flutter and Fuschia, the development of Dart went tenfolds. Devs post performance improvement reports from time to time. https://medium.com/flutter/flutter-performance-updates-in-the-first-half-of-2020-5c597168b6bb https://medium.com/flutter/flutter-performance-updates-in-th... https://medium.com/flutter/flutter-performance-updates-in-2019-4c170934f914 https://medium.com/flutter/flutter-performance-updates-in-20...

mhoad 6y ago

I don’t know if this will continue to be true forever. Dart is actually an awesome language to work with generally and is only continuing to get better. I think it has HUGE potential on the server side but there is a chicken and egg problem there at the moment where there don’t appear to be any actively maintained frameworks, even some basic things like ORMs and dependency injection frameworks are few and far between still.

josteink 6y ago
> Dart is actually an awesome language to work with generally and is only continuing to get better Not to kill your enthusiasm, but that can be said for almost any new language. > I think it has HUGE potential on the server side but there is a chicken and egg problem there at the moment where there don’t appear to be any actively maintained frameworks Which is why an active and vibrant ecosystem around the language increasingly is more important than the language itself. Just look at Go. A terribly, inexpressive language where the common solution is to write code-generators. But it has an ecosystem and the stuff people need. So people use it to write more software and more Go-libraries, reinforcing the platform-effect.