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Diesel engine mechanic here and I learned about these during my apprenticeship. "high strung" is the understatement of the fucking century. Deltics are garbag
by nimbius 6y ago
Diesel engine mechanic here and I learned about these during my apprenticeship. "high strung" is the understatement of the fucking century. Deltics are garbage compared to a modern inline 8 or 16 cylinder locomotive diesel.
cheerleaders for deltics will always measure their effectiveness in the guesome "miles per casualty" figure, completely ignoring the fact this system had astronomical service costs as the design compounds stress on cast parts. you had to have starter cartridges (explosives) to start the things, and it wasnt uncommon for them to give up the smoke just cranking them.
they have horrendous emissions as well compared to inlines. diesel and lube oil would roll out of the exhaust in massive plumes (you would never get these approved in the US today.) Usually on startup large diesels have monitored exhaust temperatures but in a Deltic your eyes had to be glued to the meter because the stack was always a blond one away from runaway (catching fire.) As tolerances drifted during service most fleets just fed these things more lube oil and in turn, worse emissions and efficiency.
again, complexity. Your tolerances for a deltic were insane compared to what you had at the time for an off-the-shelf diesel. repair parts too had to be custom fitted to the engine as it had worn and take into account things like piston bore cavitation damage from overprimed starter cartridges/overspeed/overtemp/etc...The shop down the road could not fabricate deltic parts so lead times were considerable. Whoever worked on these had a dedicated machinist (not just a miller) cutting parts off a dialed-in colchester lathe or something with a very good tolerance.
- willyt 6y agoYes but you are comparing 1950s technology to 2020 technology. Sounds like the mechanical design was a bit ahead of the capabilities of materials science and readily accessible metal fabrication technology at the time. I expect if you could add the amount of refinements and digital augmentation that modern diesels have, you could get the maintenance down to similar levels, but like the Wankel rotary engine no-one is willing to bear the cost of redoing the last 70 years of engineering optimisations that have been done to the standard Diesel engine configuration.
- Judgmentality 6y ago> but like the Wankel rotary engine no-one is willing to bear the cost of redoing the last 70 years of engineering optimisations Mazda tried bringing this back with the RX-8. It was a failure, and while everybody loves the "spirit" of the wankel, outside of the infamous 787B I think people are always going to remember it for the theory instead of the application. If we're going to talk about using modern engineering capabilities, perhaps we should be discussing the quasiturbine engine? At least in theory it solves many of the problems of the rotary engine, although I suspect it will be a nightmare of complexity that never becomes reliable. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasiturbine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasiturbine
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