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The very simple explanation is that the USA is infiltrated by communists?

baybal2 6y ago
In other words, yes. I avoided stating it this bluntly for it being almost a cartoon trope. But... but one can't believe into any other explanation as any much credible. Do hundreds of US political insiders lobby for China in one voice just for nothing? You don't have closet communists, just a lot of very greedy, amoral, and easy to exploit power holders. American legal system prohibits jailing people for anything but being caught red handed in cases of political corruption. I have no idea what you can do about that without doing political persecution, but on other hand if you leave it be it will keep being exploited like hell.
- chrischen 6y ago
  > You don't have closet communists, just a lot of very greedy, amoral, and easy to exploit power holders. Lol you’ve just described capitalists.
  - krona 6y ago
    I think acquiring and consuming resources amorally predates capitalism by a few billion years.
    - sudosysgen 6y ago
      Indeed it does, doing it in a system that allows the economic elite to direct the government into geopolitical disaster because they are largely unconcerned with the common good of their nation is really quite unique to capitalism.
  - Proziam 6y ago
    Actually, he just described people. Communist regimes have the exact same issues with corruption and greed. Capitalism vs Communism is a useless debate if the will isn't there to hold the corrupt accountable and ensure that the average citizen is empowered (with said power secured both physically and legally.)
- refenestrator 6y ago
  What about water flouridation? Stealing our essence or no?
cambalache 6y ago
OP is a sharp, highly perceptive individual. Commies took American post-Nixon politics, what other than the total red dominion could explain: Invasion to Grenada Invasion to Panama Invasion to Iraq Bombing of Serbia Bombing of Somalia Invasion of Iraq Invasion of Afghanistan Bombing of Libya Trickle-down economics Iran-Contra 24 years of Republican presidents out of the last 40 years. This is the kind of high-quality comment that this site is well known for.
- narism 6y ago
  Nothing quite so dramatic. The US political system is rife with bribery/bribery-adjacent (ex: lobbying) activity and they are saying both sides have been influenced by this. For examples, see the 1996 Clinton campaign finance investigations and donations to Jeb Bush’s Super PAC. There is likely a lot more out there that we don’t know about hidden through donations funneled through non-profits.
  - cambalache 6y ago
    Probably you are answering to a different comment, otherwise it makes absolutely no sense. In no shape, way or form have communists managed the internal or external American policy in the last 40 years, if ever.

In other words, yes. I avoided stating it this bluntly for it being almost a cartoon trope. But... but one can't believe into any other explanation as any much credible. Do hundreds of US political insiders lobby for China in one voice just for nothing? You don't have closet communists, just a lot of very greedy, amoral, and easy to exploit power holders. American legal system prohibits jailing people for anything but being caught red handed in cases of political corruption. I have no idea what you can do about that without doing political persecution, but on other hand if you leave it be it will keep being exploited like hell.

chrischen 6y ago
> You don't have closet communists, just a lot of very greedy, amoral, and easy to exploit power holders. Lol you’ve just described capitalists.
- krona 6y ago
  I think acquiring and consuming resources amorally predates capitalism by a few billion years.
  - sudosysgen 6y ago
    Indeed it does, doing it in a system that allows the economic elite to direct the government into geopolitical disaster because they are largely unconcerned with the common good of their nation is really quite unique to capitalism.
- Proziam 6y ago
  Actually, he just described people. Communist regimes have the exact same issues with corruption and greed. Capitalism vs Communism is a useless debate if the will isn't there to hold the corrupt accountable and ensure that the average citizen is empowered (with said power secured both physically and legally.)
refenestrator 6y ago
What about water flouridation? Stealing our essence or no?

cambalache 6y ago

OP is a sharp, highly perceptive individual. Commies took American post-Nixon politics, what other than the total red dominion could explain: Invasion to Grenada Invasion to Panama Invasion to Iraq Bombing of Serbia Bombing of Somalia Invasion of Iraq Invasion of Afghanistan Bombing of Libya Trickle-down economics Iran-Contra 24 years of Republican presidents out of the last 40 years. This is the kind of high-quality comment that this site is well known for.

narism 6y ago
Nothing quite so dramatic. The US political system is rife with bribery/bribery-adjacent (ex: lobbying) activity and they are saying both sides have been influenced by this. For examples, see the 1996 Clinton campaign finance investigations and donations to Jeb Bush’s Super PAC. There is likely a lot more out there that we don’t know about hidden through donations funneled through non-profits.
- cambalache 6y ago
  Probably you are answering to a different comment, otherwise it makes absolutely no sense. In no shape, way or form have communists managed the internal or external American policy in the last 40 years, if ever.