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> He unequivocally said, yes. He was willing to forgo their market. US is a corporate republic. The republic that founders dreamed of has waned and frailed fro

> He unequivocally said, yes. He was willing to forgo their market. US is a corporate republic. The republic that founders dreamed of has waned and frailed from generations of corporate sellout political, legal, media, and business conglomerate establishments. Shareholders will come first and will continue to do so. With 33 trillion dollars debt there is not really any other option left now other than to continue to sail the sinking ship the same way. > We'll see how Biden handles this. I'm sure it's a tough call. He won't. He is just the face of the same old thinking that brought us here. Just like all of his predecessors in last 40 years.

1996 6y ago
> He won't. He is just the face of the same old thinking that brought us here. Just like all of his predecessors in last 40 years. And it's a good thing. Only Trump was bold enough to entertain the idea of a commercial war with China. I live in the US, but I don't want that. I want peace and freedom. China and the US are natural allies given the complementarity of the industries. Let's make peace not war.
- rorykoehler 6y ago
  China needs a new political system before we can talk about anyone being their allies. The CCP have made it clear they are only interested in total power.
  - r00fus 6y ago
    How likely is that to happen?
    - rorykoehler 6y ago
      More likely than it seems imo. Seeing the huge amount of discontent and dissent during the initial covid outbreak in Wuhan points towards the system being very fragile with no pressure release (such as democratic elections) in place. This can only go on so long before it implodes.
  - tim333 6y ago
    They could be more easy going without actually dropping the CCP. Vietnam for example is being quite easy going in spite of still having their communist party.
    - rorykoehler 6y ago
      I have nothing against Communist parties (though I disagree with any philosophy that requires authoritarianism to enforce it, I still believe that Communists become Communists mostly with good intentions) and I agree they could evolve but the CCP has a culture problem. They are currently incapable of changing this from within through negotiation and are instead doubling down on it (see Xi's President for life vote for example). Any change in the CCP will come from within but if it happens in the next decade I can't see it being an evolution.
- qart 6y ago
  All the lives lost across the world to COVID and the economic impact of the previous year has demonstrated that "make peace" with CCP is not a good idea. I am, by no means, advocating war. But the rest of the world has to take measures to ensure bidirectional access to information. Here's what I am advocating: If a country wants free flow of goods, people, and money, there has to be free flow of information too. If it means curbing economic activities in hostile governments, while the decision must not be taken lightly, it needs to be taken sometimes.
  - freeflight 6y ago
    > All the lives lost across the world to COVID and the economic impact of the previous year has demonstrated that "make peace" with CCP is not a good idea. The US has been the origin for not only the literally largest pandemic in the history of humanity [0], but also responsible for the last pandemic before COVID-19 [1]. Would you be okay with holding the US similarly responsible for disease emerging in it's sphere of influence, or is that something you only reserve when looking for why "evil countries be evil"? [0] https://academic.oup.com/emph/article/2019/1/18/5298310 https://academic.oup.com/emph/article/2019/1/18/5298310 [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_swine_flu_pandemic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_swine_flu_pandemic
    - qart 6y ago
      Strawman. Not interested.

1996 6y ago

> He won't. He is just the face of the same old thinking that brought us here. Just like all of his predecessors in last 40 years. And it's a good thing. Only Trump was bold enough to entertain the idea of a commercial war with China. I live in the US, but I don't want that. I want peace and freedom. China and the US are natural allies given the complementarity of the industries. Let's make peace not war.

rorykoehler 6y ago
China needs a new political system before we can talk about anyone being their allies. The CCP have made it clear they are only interested in total power.
- r00fus 6y ago
  How likely is that to happen?
  - rorykoehler 6y ago
    More likely than it seems imo. Seeing the huge amount of discontent and dissent during the initial covid outbreak in Wuhan points towards the system being very fragile with no pressure release (such as democratic elections) in place. This can only go on so long before it implodes.
- tim333 6y ago
  They could be more easy going without actually dropping the CCP. Vietnam for example is being quite easy going in spite of still having their communist party.
  - rorykoehler 6y ago
    I have nothing against Communist parties (though I disagree with any philosophy that requires authoritarianism to enforce it, I still believe that Communists become Communists mostly with good intentions) and I agree they could evolve but the CCP has a culture problem. They are currently incapable of changing this from within through negotiation and are instead doubling down on it (see Xi's President for life vote for example). Any change in the CCP will come from within but if it happens in the next decade I can't see it being an evolution.
qart 6y ago
All the lives lost across the world to COVID and the economic impact of the previous year has demonstrated that "make peace" with CCP is not a good idea. I am, by no means, advocating war. But the rest of the world has to take measures to ensure bidirectional access to information. Here's what I am advocating: If a country wants free flow of goods, people, and money, there has to be free flow of information too. If it means curbing economic activities in hostile governments, while the decision must not be taken lightly, it needs to be taken sometimes.
- freeflight 6y ago
  > All the lives lost across the world to COVID and the economic impact of the previous year has demonstrated that "make peace" with CCP is not a good idea. The US has been the origin for not only the literally largest pandemic in the history of humanity [0], but also responsible for the last pandemic before COVID-19 [1]. Would you be okay with holding the US similarly responsible for disease emerging in it's sphere of influence, or is that something you only reserve when looking for why "evil countries be evil"? [0] https://academic.oup.com/emph/article/2019/1/18/5298310 https://academic.oup.com/emph/article/2019/1/18/5298310 [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_swine_flu_pandemic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_swine_flu_pandemic
  - qart 6y ago
    Strawman. Not interested.