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One thing to note is that you can use IntelliJ and install the official plugins for each language. For example you can bring the WebStorm functionality to Intel

by cyral 6y ago

One thing to note is that you can use IntelliJ and install the official plugins for each language. For example you can bring the WebStorm functionality to IntelliJ, or install the database plugin to get an embedded Datagrip window. (Which is really neat because you can then get SQL syntax highlighting and such based on your actual DB)

vinger 6y ago
How does the open source IDEA plus php plugin experience compare to phpstorm?
- yrio 6y ago
  The plugins for alternative languages (PHP, Python) are available only for IntelliJ Ultimate / paid. It's not available in free / open source IntelliJ So either [1] you buy IntelliJ Ultimate & get Java + other languages (PHP, Python, Ruby, etc except .NET and C++) or [2] you buy the language specific IDE (cheaper) like PhpStorm, PyCharm, etc
  - CraigJPerry 6y ago
    That didn’t used to be the case. You used to be able to add the Python plugin to the free IDEA ide and that would give you java + pycharm - but only the free tier features of pycharm. However, if you used the paid IDEA, adding the Python plugin gave you full PyCharm capabilities EXCEPT that IDEA was always based on version N of the core IDE platform where PyCharm was based on N+1 version, i.e. the smaller pycharm IDE sometimes had some newer platform features than the IDEA ide which led to occasional differences between IDEA + Python plugin vs PyCharm. I switched to VSCode last year and let my licence lapse for Intellij so things may have changed. What i will say, despite having moved to VSCode and being entirely happy - Intellij is the better platform. It’s the difference between 80% and 99% though, and the VSCode 80% is good enough. If i went back to full time dev, i would buy another jetbrains licence.
amitport 6y ago
Well just note that this doesn't work with all combination of languages. Try installing CLion on webstorm for example.
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- irrational 6y ago
  IntelliJ ultimate is the main IDE. Everything else is a version of IntelliJ that has been configured for a specific language. IntelliJ should, theoretically, be able to behave like any of the sub-IDEs, but the reverse is not true.
  - dagmx 6y ago
    Theoretically yes. In practice no. Each IDE has workflows and features tuned to their respective domain. They're not just simple configuration changes from each other
    - snuxoll 6y ago
      The simplified setup for modules in the language-specific IDEs alone makes them worth it IMO. It’s great that the plugins in IntelliJ cover basically everything but CLion, AppCode and Rider - but if I’m working on Python, JavaScript, PHP or doing database work I’ll still fire up Pycharm, WebStorm, PHPStorm and DataGrip respectively because there’s less overhead getting my project imported (and DataGrip is more useful as a standalone DBA tool because I open it and all of my connections are right there). Given the individual license cost difference between IntelliJ Ultimate and the All Products Pack is minimal it’s worth it, especially given it’s cheaper than IntelliJ + CLion separately.
      - Macha 6y ago
        Even just using the correct language terms is helpful. IntelliJ modules contain packages, because that's how Java works, which makes it super confusing when your modules are python packages and its subunit (called package in the UI) is a python module.

by cyral 6y ago

vinger 6y ago

How does the open source IDEA plus php plugin experience compare to phpstorm?

yrio 6y ago
The plugins for alternative languages (PHP, Python) are available only for IntelliJ Ultimate / paid. It's not available in free / open source IntelliJ So either [1] you buy IntelliJ Ultimate & get Java + other languages (PHP, Python, Ruby, etc except .NET and C++) or [2] you buy the language specific IDE (cheaper) like PhpStorm, PyCharm, etc
- CraigJPerry 6y ago
  That didn’t used to be the case. You used to be able to add the Python plugin to the free IDEA ide and that would give you java + pycharm - but only the free tier features of pycharm. However, if you used the paid IDEA, adding the Python plugin gave you full PyCharm capabilities EXCEPT that IDEA was always based on version N of the core IDE platform where PyCharm was based on N+1 version, i.e. the smaller pycharm IDE sometimes had some newer platform features than the IDEA ide which led to occasional differences between IDEA + Python plugin vs PyCharm. I switched to VSCode last year and let my licence lapse for Intellij so things may have changed. What i will say, despite having moved to VSCode and being entirely happy - Intellij is the better platform. It’s the difference between 80% and 99% though, and the VSCode 80% is good enough. If i went back to full time dev, i would buy another jetbrains licence.

amitport 6y ago

Well just note that this doesn't work with all combination of languages. Try installing CLion on webstorm for example.

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irrational 6y ago
IntelliJ ultimate is the main IDE. Everything else is a version of IntelliJ that has been configured for a specific language. IntelliJ should, theoretically, be able to behave like any of the sub-IDEs, but the reverse is not true.
- dagmx 6y ago
  Theoretically yes. In practice no. Each IDE has workflows and features tuned to their respective domain. They're not just simple configuration changes from each other
  - snuxoll 6y ago
    The simplified setup for modules in the language-specific IDEs alone makes them worth it IMO. It’s great that the plugins in IntelliJ cover basically everything but CLion, AppCode and Rider - but if I’m working on Python, JavaScript, PHP or doing database work I’ll still fire up Pycharm, WebStorm, PHPStorm and DataGrip respectively because there’s less overhead getting my project imported (and DataGrip is more useful as a standalone DBA tool because I open it and all of my connections are right there). Given the individual license cost difference between IntelliJ Ultimate and the All Products Pack is minimal it’s worth it, especially given it’s cheaper than IntelliJ + CLion separately.
    - Macha 6y ago
      Even just using the correct language terms is helpful. IntelliJ modules contain packages, because that's how Java works, which makes it super confusing when your modules are python packages and its subunit (called package in the UI) is a python module.